In the most recent yearly accounting, there were 16,259 homicides in the U.S. ((2010 was the most recent year I could find for which exhaustive statistics were released.)) That comes out to more than 44 homicides a day. Even if George Zimmerman had been found guilty of murder for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, that homicide would have been just one among very many. Most homicides barely make the local news. Why should this one be a national tragedy? Why has this case become an icon of American race relations? One reason: most Americans believe in pervasive racism, and the mainstream media capitalizes on this belief to generate revenue.
Let’s review. George Zimmerman was a Neighborhood Watch coordinator in a multi-racial neighborhood. His neighborhood had suffered from a number of burglaries, break-ins, and at least one shooting in the past year. Most of the perpetrators of these crimes escaped justice. Zimmerman had called the police to mention suspicious activity a number of times before he called about Trayvon Martin.
Trayvon Martin, for his part, had been suspended from school for drug use, petty theft, and vandalism. He was under his third disciplinary suspension of the year (in February?) at the time of his death. Zimmerman trailed Martin almost all the way to Martin’s then place of residence, at which point there was a confrontation. Martin fractured Zimmerman’s nose and smashed his head into the concrete. Zimmerman eventually got his gun and shot Martin, who died.
As soon as it was reported that Zimmerman had been released without charges, the mainstream media, and mainstream America, went ballistic. They were all sure that racism and racial profiling were the obvious culprits here. The media was so sure in fact, that they wanted to make sure even the facts didn’t get in the way of their conclusion. In their initial coverage of the shooting, they posted a years-old picture of Trayvon Martin that made him look like a harmless baby-faced little boy. CNN had a feature in a “state-of-the-art” audio forensics booth that stated that Zimmerman had used a racial slur during his phone call with police. (They later back-tracked from this assertion.) NBC News edited the dispatch call to make it seem like Zimmerman was racially profiling Martin. They later fake-apologized for this. Zimmerman was and is called “white” in news report after news report.
What should have been a local bit of news became a national “tragedy.” Even Barack Obama weighed in: “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.” Whatever that means.
But all of this race-baiting obscures the facts. For one, Trayvon Martin evidently was a petty criminal. Two, Zimmerman’s neighborhood had many black people in it (about 20%). It would not have been that unusual for Zimmerman to see a black person in the neighborhood, so why would he have called about Martin unless Martin really was doing something that looked suspicious? Zimmerman had called the police to report suspicious activity seven times since he was appointed coordinator for the Neighborhood Watch. Not once had he given racial characteristics without first being prompted by the dispatcher. The call about Martin was no different. And then there’s the fact that Martin brutally attacked Zimmerman, breaking his nose and bashing his head into the concrete.
All of this indicates that the jury was right: Zimmerman was not guilty of murder. And he wasn’t racially motivated. He was an overzealous neighborhood watch coordinator who didn’t want to see another criminal threat to his neighborhood “get away” (as he mentioned in his call to the police). What happened could have been avoided. It was a terrible mistake. But the jury, and reality, seem to be speaking loud and clear: George Zimmerman is not a racist.
America, on the other hand, believes itself to be full of racism. We believe this so firmly that we have actually willed it to be the case. We are so ready to believe in the abiding power of racial tension and hatred. White people feel awkward around black people lest we be accused of racism, and black people assume that white people really are trying to keep them down. It is commonly accepted that white people are privileged because of their color, and black people are disadvantaged because of theirs. And no amount of contravening evidence seems to make any difference. “Sure, we have a black president… but the Trayvon Martin shooting just proves that we haven’t really gotten anywhere.”
Let’s be clear. Your typical KKK-style racism is pretty much dead, or at least relegated to complete irrelevance. But racially-defined prejudices are not dead in the least. The media makes sure of that. Racial prejudices are being reinforced every day. And we can’t get enough of it apparently. Murder, homicide, genocide, violence? These aren’t enough to draw our attention. We don’t seem to care at all that black people are killing each other more than they are being killed by other races. That’s just violence. But give a racial motivation to these things, and it’s news. I expect that a whole lot of violence and destruction will be going on all over the country for no other reason than that a huge population of our society believes in racism. They believe it cannot die. And this belief may be the only thing keeping it alive.
I had hopes that Obama would heal a racial divide and show America that we are color blind. I was blind to the fact that the President and his wife are the most Racist people I have ever heard of. The “Entitlement” that people of color seem to have assumed they deserve is obscene. This is all brought about by the Media and even the DOJ and Obama. Rather than unite us under a common Nationality they have attempted to Divide Us and cause class warfare. The new black panthers are calling for “War” against whitey, which will of course be ignored by the Holder DOJ. I have friends of every nationality and color, I have respect for people regardless of their race so long as they are decent people. The fact that the riots are going on is just a sign that the punks will do anything to cover up the fact they are stealing and destroying other peoples property for kicks. This was known as the jungle mentality in the past. Sharpton and the rest should be jailed for inciting violence.
The jury was right and I personally knew GZ was not going to be railroaded by the system. There are still many of us who believe in Right and Wrong.
Peace
texaselect Obama doesn’t know how to handle any issue except from the perspective of the community Agitator and the continuing mantra of VICTIMOLOGY. he keeps it going and says one stupid thing after another this time it is to Black graduates that they have to try TWICE as hard because they have some sort of a white based restriction on theor diplomas! enough already! These kids worked hard to get their degrees instead of making them think of themselves as victims as they start their adult job life he should be uplifting. Can’t stand the guy he is such a exploitive person and his own race isn’t immune to the exploitation.
Deborah Flynn texaselect
Yes, and since Mr. Obama has two (2) races – and is exploiting them both for different things, I agree with your statement.
Deborah Flynn texaselect So what are you going to do between now and November 2015 to insure that Obama’s “replacement” is is a good Christian constitutional conservative???
It would seem that the only people that have NOT gotten past race as an issue is a portion of the Black community, a racist President and a racist “whippin boy” for the president, Eric Holder. As to the news media, they “follow the blind racist lead” of Obama, to include ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC and CNN. Racism exists in the minds of a few disgruntled, lazy NWADI’s (Non-White African Descent Individuals) that give the remainder of their race a black eye. And then there are the NWADI sympathizers that have no self-respect, need a cause and are also too lazy to work and contribute to the betterment of America.
Obama IS trying to divide America and seems to be quite successful. I will agree that his statement of “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin” is EXACTLY correct. A brow-beating, law-breaking thug – this certainly fits both individuals.
SilasDoGood I’m curious, do you realize you’re a racist & are comfortable with that or are you completely oblivious to it?
BobE SilasDoGood hello BobE, it’s quite clear to me, that it is YOU, who is blind and deaf to the truth when it doesn’t agree with your ideas and thinking. i bet you just love the way obama is trying to run this country like a dictator, having to answer to no one. SilasDoGood got it 100% correct.
charlescoker BobE SilasDoGood No surprise, you’re a racist too
BobE charlescoker SilasDoGood Please ignore the paid troll BoobE. he is just like Texas, all hat and no cattle.
BobE charlescoker SilasDoGood if you knew me BobE, you would know that i am not a racist, i have many friends of all races. you should stick to what you really know, and that ain’t much.
SilasDoGood BobE charlescoker
Thanks. I like that last bit and may borrow it if you don’t mind.
JohnDeere1953 SilasDoGood BobE charlescoker hi johndeere1953, i don’t mind, you may borrow it, lol.
Thats funny Bob. It sounds like to me that you are another liberal whining and crying that they didn’t get their way in this trial. Since you have gotten everything have wanted since Obama took office (except gun control), you stamp your feet and throw a tantrum when you lose when the system fails you. You always love to quote court rulings and worship our judicial system when it undermines religion and favors the liberal agenda. Why not now? And here are a few tweet quotes from Lupe Fiasco to put you in perspective (he’s a black muscian/celebrity btw):
“Rub your face in it! Swallow down that hard pill! Black blood spills in the streets of America nightly at the hands other blacks
Yeah gimme that anger…once again that rage…that misguided angst when you true enemy is your own complacency and cowardice.
Curse kick scream yell tweet unfollow. Don’t matter to me if y’all don’t start valuing yourselves N*****S will be in the same boat tomorrow
Nobody knows what really happened except trayvon and Zimmerman. The justice system relies on reasonable doubt not our emotions.”
BobE SilasDoGood
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Please do not respond to BobE – he is a paid troll.
SilasDoGood BobE Thanks for the heads up.
Lets put this in the proper perspective. Zimmerman is a wanna be cop at 30 weighing in at 250+ lbs that calls the police seemly every time he sees a black person. Martin is a 150 lbs kid that just turned 17 walking down the street when Zimmerman begins to follow him in his car (against the specific orders from the police) & proceeds to chase him on foot. At this point who do you think is scared? Zimmerman that has martial arts training & a 9mm or some 17 year old kid 1/2 Zimmerman’s size that Zimmerman claims was “skipping” to get away? When Zimmerman (who’s locked & loaded) catches up to his “suspect” Martin, a kid 1/2 his size beats the shit out of him so badly that he shoots him dead! We will never know what happened when Zimmerman caught up with Martin (other then he didn’t say he was a neighborhood watch) but his story is full of holes. In a 3 street neighborhood that he lived in for 5 years he couldn’t name the street he was suppose to be watching? Which is why he didn’t take the stand in his own defense. A grown man shoots an unarmed kid that was just walking home because he was black & Zimmerman thought he looked “suspicious” is an outrage. This “stand your ground law” seems to give people the right to kill people at will!!! You people are blind to racism. Ron & Rand Paul are associated with some of the most vile racists in the country yet you don’t see it but blacks are racists because they are outraged over an unarmed minor getting killed & the killer going free???
BobE This is all a bunch of crap.
BobE
Did you actually watch any of the trial or are you just making up sh1t as you go along. Virtually nothing in your rant is factual.
BobE
I see you were on the jury…not! Yea ole Trayvon was just minding his own business a 220 lb 17 year old thug who decided to put a pounding on that cracka..breaking his nose and bashing his head into the sidewalk he expected Zimmerman to just take it. One hispanic dude kills a black and you go bonkers and start inventing facts to cover your racist hatreds.
It’s utterly amazing that blacks can slaughter one another in mass and there is no outcry from the controlled media or your “anointed” leaders. And you wonder why blacks are sterotyped from all races in America. However, one thing you should remember is that whitey may be a little sottish and a slow learner because of media conditioning, but never back him into a corner because you will not like the outcome.
mqg25 BobE According to the police Martin weighed 160 lbs. Look, you’re a black kid that just turned 17 walking home by yourself in the south & notice a 30 year old man (that’s 250 lbs) starts to follow you in his car & you speed up to get away he gets out of his car catches you, doesn’t say he a “neighborhood watch” & then a fight breaks out. Here’s what I don’t understand, Zimmerman thought martin was a “suspect” & was locked & loaded ready for trouble outweighed martin by 100 lbs, had martial arts training & was a full grown man so how did martin manage to give Zimmerman the beating of his life before Zimmerman shot him?
BobE mqg25
Has it entered your mind that possibly Mr. Zimmerman was trying NOT to hurt Mr. Martin and took a substantial portion of the beating in that attempt? Then, when he realized there would be no end to it he panicked.
I was not there, therefore I try not to judge either way. Just pointing out something that I have not heard anyone mention before.
Great job BobE. Although there is no chance that any of those that
populate this web site will be changed in the least, I at least approve
of some rational thinking about these events. I think it revelatory that
those calling others racist in the loudest voices seem to express the
most racist remarks. Part of the “thou protesteth too much” syndrome.
Probably you won’t get this as who would want to regularly patronize
these morons but I can but hope. I have taken up looking in on the
bigots as a sort of trip to the southrun zoo. Look at all the grinning
bigots and hope that America continues on its slow progress towards just letting people alone if they don’t harm others.
JohnDeere1953 BobE No, that NEVER entered my mind. Does it even seem reasonable to you that a wanna be cop (you know the type) that trains himself in martial arts, gets a concealed gun permit & a highly concealable 9mm auto, becomes a “neighborhood watchman” keeping CLOSE track of “black people” in the neighborhood sees a “suspect” (that he assumes is a hardened criminal) pursues him (against police orders) only to confront him & then let the “suspect” beat the shit out of him (because he didn’t want to hurt him) before he shoots him?
BobE JohnDeere1953 In that whole paragraph you did not get one FACT right.
x teeth So, BoobE is your little missus, huh? Does he act like a little sissy boy when you both are alone at home? He sure does here. It’s nice to meet his better half (he’s talked, and bragged about you for a long time), x teeth.
BobE So please explain to me why your poor, innocent, little black victim so viciously attacked this guy? I’d have shot him too. Good riddance to trash.
BobE Please don’t let the facts get in your way of your bias theories Bob! Apparently you haven’t been following this case from the beginning, cause when this happened Zimmerman weighed in at around 160 to 170 lbs. He has since put on about 100 lbs. Zimmerman was merely a Neighborhood Watch member trying to make his community safer in light of over dozen break-ins in the previous year. Zimmerman NEVER chased him on foot, but did get out to find out where he was, due to the weather obscuring his vision. Trayvon was reported to be 6′ to 6’2″ tall and weighing from 157 to 187 lbs. vs. Zimmerman at 5’8″ tall and around 170 lbs, so not “kid” here half his size, but what appeared to Zimmerman as a man. Zimmerman’s gun was loaded before he saw Martin, as anyone carrying a Concealed weapons carry them load, else it is useless to have. Once Martin sucker punches Zimmerman and jumps on him and starts bashing his head into the ground and sidewalk, as well as punching him the face, Zimmerman could not have known Martin wasn’t armed as well, nor that Martin was a guest at a house in the neighborhood, cause Martin wasn’t going to answer any questions! You sir, seem unwilling to accept the facts as they have been reported and come up with your own version, from thin air. When you charge someone with racism, you need to be specific, so what has Ron and Rand Paul said that is racist? Trayvon was shot simply because he had a bad temper and attack an armed man, placing that armed man in fear of his life, it had NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS RACE! Try dealing with the facts and not the B.S. racism junk folks are trying to infer on this case!
Mark–Actually, Martin was listed in police reports being 5’11” tall.
There is no witness to the beginning of the fight–other than Zimmerman–so we have no unbiased testimony about how the fight began. Your assumption that Martin sucker-punched Zimmerman is based solely on Zimmerman’s word (& his video walk-through is fairly convincing–but Martin is not here to give HIS side). It is plausible that Zimmerman accosted Martin. The bottom line is that WE JUST DON’T KNOW FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. Both your opinion & BobE’s derive from your each believing you know with certainty exactly what happened.that night–that’s not possible.
kmilliorn No assumption, just going by the testimony and reported facts. There was a reported witness – a little boy who said that Trayvon threw the first punch knocking Zimmerman down and jumping on him. The wounds appear to support this testimony. I stand by what I have said, based on what is reported and testified in court. The conclusion Bob offered are not supported by any thing reported or testified to in court.
Maranatha_Mark kmilliorn so, I can walk up to someone that I don’t like the looks of , say something to him that causes him to punch me & then pull out a gun & shoot him? & that’s perfectly legal?
Mark–NO–The boy who was walking his dog did NOT see the first punch thrown. His testimony was that he saw Zimmerman on the ground & thought he might have hurt his leg & fallen–there’s a BIG difference between that & actually seeing the punch. He further testified that someone TRIED to get him to say something else. (I’d have to look up the reference again for that detail for you).
BobE Maranatha_Mark kmilliorn Are you on some of Trayvon’s lean, cause you must be high to make a statement like that! Please tell us what Zimmerman said that “caused” Trayvon to Punch, then jump on top of the man and start pounding his head in? You seem to have been the 4th witness, so why didn’t you come forward and testify at the trial?! According to the only person that was there and still able to talk, Zimmerman, Trayvon jumped out and asked George, “What’s your f***ing problem?!” to which George reportedly said, “I don’t have a problem.”, to which Trayvon reportedly said, “You do now!” as he sucker punched him. If that is the exchange baring your eye-witness testimony to the contrary, it doesn’t sound like Zimmerman said anything that warranted Trayvon to punch or attack him in the manner, Trayvon chose to. A little boy who claims to have seen the altercation from a distant said that the taller man (Trayvon) threw the first punch, knocking the smaller man down and then proceeded to jump on him and beat him, just like Zimmerman reported happened. If Trayvon had settled for the successful sucker punch, and left, he would be alive today, but that didn’t satisfy his blood lust and he dove on top of a “cracka” to beat him as severely as he could, including to death. Nothing Zimmerman did warranted this kind of beating and if Trayvon’s parents had raised him right, none of this would have happened. I haven’t understood how anyone justifies Trayvon’s attack on Zimmerman, even if he had called him every name in the book, it still doesn’t give him the right to punch and attack George or anyone else regardless of color!
Maranatha_Mark BobE kmilliorn
they have no eyewitness testimony.
All they have are their lying bigoted mouths.
kmilliorn That is not what was originally reported. However his testimony ended up, it was originally reported that he did see the bigger guy throw the 1st punch and get jumped on. If he did testify differently, perhaps someone did get to him and ‘persuade’ him to have seen something else. AS I HAVE SAID, I am only going by what the reports have been and the testimony admitted in court. Evidence gathered and the on eye-witness that heard Zimmerman call for help and saw Trayvon on top, all back the accounts Zimmerman has given. Even the forensic expert backed Zimmerman’s account. I know you want Zimmerman to be guilty so bad you can taste it, but that simply isn’t supported by the evidence presented, regardless of the news reports. If we look at Trayvon’s history, we see it also supports the likelihood that Trayvon was the aggressor as Zimmerman’s accounts of events suggest.
Maranatha_Mark BobE We know Zimmerman isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer because he’s lived in a tract for over 5 years that only has 3 streets in it & he cannot even name the street he’s suppose to me watching! That said, you’d think some wanna be cop turned “neighborhood watchman” who’s taken martial arts, got a concealed gun permit & a 9mm that FINALLY gets a chance to do what he’s ALWAYS wanted to do (pretend to be a cop & arrest black people) stalks his “suspect” (thinking he’s a criminal) locked & loaded ready for action & some kid “takes him by surprise” & beats the hell out of him???
BobE–Zimmerman reported to the dispatcher that Martin was walking close to houses & looking in windows. There had been 8 burglaries & robberies in the compound in the previous 14 months–including several in which the culprits were witnessed by residents to be young black males. In several instances, young black men were also apprehended in possession of stolen property–bicycles & a laptop. This would represent good reason for suspicion on Zimmerman’s part, don’t you think–its racism when there’s a history like this.
There are NO third-party witnesses to the beginning of the fight–we don’t know if Zimmerman accosted Martin, if Martin got angry that Zimmerman “dissed” him & punched him first–we have no evidence AT ALL.
The death of a young person is a tragedy & we want to understand why & apportion blame. This case is, NOT “cut & dried”–there are too many missing pieces, missing minutes, unseen actions. The sooner folks like you who are certain they know what happened & adamantly believe that either Zimmerman OR Martin was in the wrong realize that we will NEVER KNOW for sure, the sooner the uproar will quiet down. It is entirely human to want THE TRUTH. Well, it’s not available in this case because no one was there to report it to the rest of us. That’s why the jury HAD to return a verdict of “not guilty” based on reasonable doubt–NOT because the defense proved Zimmerman “innocent! The jury ruled based on the law, not common sense, as instructed. We now need to use our common sense & stop arguing & re-trying a case we can never get all the evidence for.
kmilliorn I don’t care if EVERYTHING Zimmerman said is true (which I am sure isn’t the case) he’s STILL guilty!
BobE–Your post contained a large number of assumptions–or else you are the ” missing witness”, who could have removed all “reasonable doubt” for the jury & allow them to get the “right” verdict. How can you deny that there was too much missing evidence to allow anything other than a not guilty verdict because of the uncertainty?
Evidently you had Zimmerman convicted in advance & the trial was superfluous, right? (Just like Sharpton, Jackson, et all. Lynching, anyone?
kmilliorn No. All we know for certain is this. Martin was NOT committing any crime. Zimmerman who had called 911 many times he seen “black people” in his neighborhood was told NOT to pursue martin. He pursued him anyway which lead to a confrontation (which we don’t know who started) & Zimmerman shooting an unarmed minor.
BobE kmilliorn
Still the perpetual lies.
A Police dispatcher cannot tell someone not to follow someone.
The Dispatcher testified at the trial and said he did not tell Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon.
Th4e Dispatcher said this while under oath.
Yet, here you are BoBE still telling the same tired old stale lies.
Once, I thought you might have been somewhat intelligent, now I know you are not.
BobE Guilty of what? Telling the truth?
Only in your mind BobE is he guilty, and your thoughts racist as they are is not considered evidence in a Courtroom.
kmilliorn The death of ANYONE is a tragedy. I do not care how old, what gender or anything else. Cut out the buzz red button carppy words! The main missing piece was mentioned last night in the interview of the presecutors main witness. She told Martin that Zimmerman was a was a “Craker rapist …” Point one is that Zimmerman is not a rapist and point two wrong use of the word Craker. If she can use the “N” word and I can not then she can ot use the “C” word. Let us now get really really STUPID!!
tygerpaw25–Sorry, but the missing piece is the start of the fight–& it has nothing to do with Martin’s friend (who, incidentally, was a better witness for the defense than for the prosecution–like many of its other witnesses).
kmilliorn I agree about the witness being better but my point was Martin may have not approached the car if he had not had that thought put into his brain. By start of the fight are you referring to the actual physical encounter, first push, blow, etc? Also I did not refer to there being just one missing piece. The statement I was replying to said “there are too many missing pieces…”Just speculating about one posable piece.
kmilliorn
Very nicely put. It’s too bad that we’ll never know, but unless BobE really was there, no one has come forward to corroborate ir disprove and of the few statements made in the matter.
BobE You must be black or a liberal. It sounds like you only listen to the voices in your head because you sure didn’t listen to the evidence that was presented.
Terriern BobE The bottom line is this. Zimmerman was told NOT to follow martin by police (which he did) & as a result he shot & killed an unarmed kid.
BobE Terriern Wrong. He was told by the dispatcher. That is not the same thing as an officer of any rang telling him.
BobE Terriern If GZ had known that TM was a drug addict, trained in mixed martial arts, who had been soliciting for a gun & suspended from school after stolen property was found in his possession, he might have been able to avoid being beaten up. Either TM used his fists to beat up GZ, or he scuffed his knuckles by dragging them on the ground. I don’t know which.
BobE Terriern Bottom line is that Martin confronted Zimmerman and started beating him. Following Martin was not against the law. Zimmerman had a right to follow him and see where he was going as he was the one on watch duty that night. You just don’t want to admit that the kid was wrong and got himself killed. Martin could have gone on home instead of confronting Zimmerman.
BobE A police dispatcher cannot tell anyone not to follow someone. That would be illegal, and ther dispatcher could lose his/her job.
The dispatcher testified at the trial and said he never told Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon.
chamuiel Then Zimmerman is a liar because In a statement he gave to police the same night he shot and killed the unarmed teen, Zimmerman wrote that he was returning to his vehicle after a police dispatcher told him over the phone to stop pursuing Martin.
Terriern BobE Zimmerman admitted that martin was “skipping” away! You people lack logic & common sense! Who do you really believe confronted who (a) an unarmed kid that just turned 17 minding his own business & just walking home or (b) some wanna be cop that already called 911 & was in pursuit of his “suspect” and was armed?
BobE
Again a Police Dispatcher cannot tell some not to follow someone It would be illegal.
Only someone who has had run ins with the law would even consider following a illegal police command.
What you said about Zimmerman lying is just you own opinion, and opinions are nit considered as evidence in a court of law.
BobE
A violen 17 year old on dope who considered himself to be some kind of a MMA fighter.
Yes, I would believe that supid though he may hve been that he wouls attaxk first.
They have also finally released the fact that a burglary toll was found in the bushes near where Trayvon was walking.
You are the one not using common sense.
chamuiel BobE Zimmerman told police in a written statement that ” police dispatcher told him over the phone to stop pursuing Martin” that is a FACT so either they told him or he’s lying
BobE
Produce your proof. Anything but your mouth will be considered.
And even if what you say is true, it would prove that Trayvon jumped Zimmeman from the back, would it not.
What was actually said was when Zimmerman asked the dispatcher if he should follow Trayvon, the dispatcher replied that “We do not need you to do that.”
Again that is not an order not to follow, and a dispatcher cannot tell you not to follow someone in your own neighborhood.
Get real.
chamuiel BobE You’re soooo full of BS that it’s not even funny
BobE No, you are by saying “I know Zimmerman is guilty”.
What kind of a statement is that? You offer no proof, other than your mouth.
I have followed this case from the beginning. It is obvious you have not.
You have only your feelings and emotions to go by.
You have nothing else, not even a logical argument.
BobE Obviously you are not aware of the facts revealed in the trial. I wonder what you would do if someone hit you and then banged your head against the concrete. I don’t care about the race of the individuals, because anyone would try to defend his/her life with whatever means available. I have seen what seventeen (and even younger) can do to people and places. Take off the blinders. In case you are unaware, no one has to take the stand. Also, how do Ron and Rand Paul get into this conversation and deserve to be called racists. You are a typical liberal and do not make sense in your thoughts and arguments. In other words you are ignorant of truth by being brainwashed by lies and liars. Go crawl back under the rock you are evidently living under.
StephanieCripe
BobE
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Please do not respond to BobE – he is a paid troll.
StephanieCripe BobE Rand Paul got into this conversation because of racism & Rand Paul is a racist by ANY definition. The ONLY reason that Zimmerman had the balls to do what he did was because of the FL “stand your ground” law. In most ANY other state he would have been guilty of 1st degree murder
BobE StephanieCripe LAST COMMENT, YOU ARE A 100% IDIOT!! I LIVE IN A STATE THAT HAS THE SAME LAWS!!
BobE StephanieCripe
Not in Texas, Not in Oklahoma, perhaps in Liberal run Illinois.
StephanieCripe BobE No, in CA you can ONLY use deadly force in your house or place of business. You cannot go out armed looking for a fight & when you find one & start to lose shoot the person!
BobE StephanieCripe
in your home or place of business is called the castle doctrine, in many states the castle doctrine has been extended to include your car, while you are walking down the street, even a tent or camper you may be sleeping in, because it would be considered as an extension of your home.
BobE, you know nothing
BobE Don’t forget that the Black population commits more crimes against their own kind than any other race in the country. That blacks still hold “someone else” responsible for their woe’s, even after white Americans facilitated the end of slavery as it was known. Not all blacks have been held back, those that accepted the challenge, and rose above it are not only doing quite well in their lives, but distance themselves from their voluntarily uneducated and ignorant brethren. Face it, if you wanted to be treated as an equal, then you should aspire to be or be better than the people in control. Not just sit on your pathetic asses waiting for the next Government handout. If you want a better life, work your asses off like we have, to get it. I won’t be cutting you people ANY slack. The ones that want, but don’t want to work for it are nothing but cells of a giant virus. You are a cancer that should cut away from the fabric of our society. You are parasites sucking the life’s blood from this Country, not to mention the American worker. So go ahead and keep on killing your own, I don’t think you will get any “White” interference with that.
BobE Great job BobE. Although there is no chance that any of those that
populate this web site will be changed in the least, I at least approve
of some rational thinking about these events. I think it revelatory that
those calling others racist in the loudest voices seem to express the
most racist remarks. Part of the “thou protesteth too much” syndrome.
Probably you won’t get this as who would want to regularly patronize
these morons but I can but hope. I have taken up looking in on the
bigots as a sort of trip to the southrun zoo. Look at all the grinning
bigots and hope that America continues on its slow progress towards just letting people alone if they don’t harm others.
Not very bright, Zimmerman weighed in when he was arrested at 170 pounds, he gained the weight being on house arrest. You would know that if you followed the news.
Ddl13 170 my ass!!! That fat slob is 250 lbs if he’s an ounce!
BobE Ddl13 This is directed to your ass…..if you had watched the trial or read any reliable reports about it you would know that George Zimmerman was close to 250 lbs. prior to joining the self defense class. In fact it was the reason he joined so as to lose weight and he did weigh about 170 when he was attacked by the racist gangsta wanna be punk that was 4 inches taller & 10 years younger and proceeded to defended himself quite effectively.
Rumpleforeskin BobE Ddl13 “proceeded to defended himself quite effectively”??? By getting your ass kicked & head pounded on the ground by a kid that just turned 17 & is 1/2 your size?
BobE Rumpleforeskin Ddl13It sounds like to me that you are another liberal whining and crying that they didn’t get their way in this trial. Since you have gotten everything have wanted since Obama took office (except gun control), you stamp your feet and throw a tantrum when you lose when the system fails you. You always love to quote court rulings and worship our judicial system when it undermines religion and favors the liberal agenda. Why not now? And here are a few tweet quotes from Lupe Fiasco to put you in perspective (he’s a black muscian/celebrity btw):
“Rub your face in it! Swallow down that hard pill! Black blood spills in the streets of America nightly at the hands other blacks
Yeah gimme that anger…once again that rage…that misguided angst when you true enemy is your own complacency and cowardice.
Curse kick scream yell tweet unfollow. Don’t matter to me if y’all don’t start valuing yourselves N*****S will be in the same boat tomorrow
Nobody knows what really happened except trayvon and Zimmerman. The justice system relies on reasonable doubt not our emotions.”
Rumpleforeskin BobE Ddl13 so, Zimmerman who had trained himself in self defense + armed himself for this very moment, watched, pursued & confronted a 17 year old “suspect” he thought was a criminal & the kid 1/2 his size attacks Zimmerman & proceeds to beat the hell out of him?
BobE Ddl13
Zimmerman weighed in at 170 when the fight took place. He was 5’9″ tall
That 17 year old kid was 6’2″ tall and weighed 160.
Yes, Zimmerman gained weight when he was indicted for Murder 2 and forced into an unnecessary stressful situation.
As usual, you have no idea of what you are talking about and just continue to spew words as the occur in that small brain of yours.
BobE Rumpleforeskin Ddl13
zimmerman got his ass kicked, and Trayvon got dead.
I would say Trayvon lost the fight, whouldn’t you BobE?
By th Way BoBE do you have another posting personality? I have seen these same words before.
chamuiel–From police reports, Martin was not 6’2″ tall–he was 5’11” tall.
sorry Zimmerman was a short kind of pudgy out of shape 5 foot 7 195 lb 28 year old trayvon Martin was a tall fit and trim 5 ft 11 160 lb 17 year old this idea that George Zimmerman can chase down trayvon Martin is absolutely preposterous and in terms of George Zimmerman’s martial arts training you really need to watch hismartial arts instructor testify that most of its training was to get in better shape and that George Zimmerman still wasn’t in particularly good shape and that George Zimmerman couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag and his fighting skills were one on a scale of 1 to 10. So a short kind of pudgy 5 foot 7 195 lb 28 year old fights a 5 foot 11 160 lb 17 year old that is a well-honed street fighter while the 28-year old is an MMA reject who do you think is going to win that altercation. And this idea that fit trim tall 17 year old trayvon Martin could be chase down by short kind of pudgy out-of-shape 28 year old Zimmerman is laughable. Zimmerman’s weight in court was a lot heavier than he was the night he shot trayvon Martin. Please watch the walkthrough George Zimmerman was short kind of pudgy and out of shape please watch the 7-Eleven video of trayvon Martin trayvon Martin was tall thin and in shape.
To me it’s amazing that eight years afterward, we’re still having details coming out.
An important recent article:
December 5, 2019
We Are All George Zimmerman Now
By George Zimmerman
*https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/12/we_are_all_george_zimmerman_now.html
“I have hired attorney Larry Klayman in his private capacity, founder of Judicial Watch and now Freedom Watch. I am suing Rachel Jeantel, Brittany “Diamond” Eugene, Sybrina Fulton, Tracy Martin, Benjamin Crump, prosecutors Angela Corey, Bernie de la Rionda, John Guy, the state of Florida, the FDLE, and HarperCollins Publishing for in excess $100 million. I don’t care about the money as much as I care about the truth coming out in discovery and at trial. . . I am bringing this action not only to get justice for myself, but for all those Americans who are falsely accused of racial animus as well as those victimized by fake witnesses and unscrupulous prosecutors.”
A site that has been famous in their coverage of this from the beginning is the Conservative Treehouse. More recently he showed how the same destructive police and school policies that results in the tragedy of Travon Martin were also at play in the Parkland incident.
*https://theconservativetreehouse.com/
You mean black America is, not “America is”.
What this article fails to mention is that the blk race makes up >13% yet I’ll bet they have more killings than whites or asians. Also this article fails to mention blk on white murders. Here again I bet there are many more blk on white murders than there are the opposite. So what the hades is the blk so called community yelling about? If the whites went on a rampage everytime there was a blk killing a white we would be on a rampage all the time. I guess we just accept the blk on white murders and maybe we are a little more civilized.
American 1 And the article fails to mention that of all those break-ins over the past several years, ALL of them were perpetrated by young black males, ALL of them. (While I wasn’t there and did not contact the police to substantiate this, I read it in one of these zillions of Zimmerman articles…)
OMG, I am so sick of this crap. Look,
Blacks in America pin racism and slavery on Americans, but at the time of slavery, the WHOLE world was buying slaves to work, THE WHOLE WORLD! not just America, Hell African were knocking out and dragging their relatives off to the British and whomever shipped them out of Africa.
I am so damn sick of this being a Black thing and more sick of this being a White American thing, hey Sharpton go complain to the other coutries who shipped your relatives around the world and see where that gets you!
I am not sorry, I am not ashamed, my family past was never a slave owners, and very FEW Americans were.
SO go zuck on woodpecker eggs all of you black racist azzwipes!
greenmountainboy6 You are so right! The black community has been getting special treatment for five decades and is still unhappy. They’ve got permanent victim status and continue to complain. There is nobody alive on the planet who was or even knew anybody who was a slave in this country.
The REAL racism is against whites. That comes from the government and media. It’s way past time to treat blacks like everybody else. If you don’t want to be call names, then don’t call other people names (creepy ass cracker, for example). If you don’t want to go to jail, then don’t commit crimes. If you want to feel the same sense of accomplishment as white people, then don’t go whining for special privileges – earn them like white people.
greenmountainboy6 Did you forget that those Original slavers were Muslims and they also raided white European cities for slaves to sell Muslim rulers. We sing about that in the Marine anthem retelling President Jefferson’s orders sending them to the shores of Tripoli.
greenmountainboy6Reminds me of this TV show I saw a few years ago where they traced people’s roots back
to their original heritage through DNA. Several were blacks that
complained about how prejudicial America is with roots of slavery.
As it turned out, almost every one of them did not have roots in Africa
but in Europe, and it was proven that none of their relatives were ever
slaves in America as they had not emigrated here yet.
Centurian2012 greenmountainboy6 how would they come up with a crazy idea like that because we all know that we never had any slaves in this country?
You should really check your facts; there are a lot of good people out there, like ME for example. It’s not us, it’s THEM who are racist and should fix that
America is not racist the Blacks, the race activists Sharpton, Jackson, the politicians like Obama & Holder & the lamestream media along with White Libs are racist.
The way the blacks are acting it would be easy to be a racist……And to think I went to the back of the bus in protest in the 1950’s….If I knew how horrible they would become with freedom I would never have protested…
We have empowered the Black population by electing a Black president. The Race baiters Sharpton, Jackson, Farahkan, and Obama accompanied by the main stream media have created this…it took years….I am tired, tired, tired, of the same old mantra, whitey made us slaves in America, but Black slave traders in Africa made them slaves and sold and shipped them all over the Caribbean, (sic) and finally America sadly. We are immigrants from Ireland and Scotland 5th generation and never owned slaves…gee whiz, don’t you think it is time to become an American, instead of a Black American? Get a life
alafia5 Wow, does that mean I shouldn’t call myself a white, English, Irish, German, French, Indian (oops, Native American), Scotch, Welsh, Dutch American???? I’m all those and probably some black and/or Asian mixed in there somewhere – – BUT – – first and foremost, I am an American, a proud citizen of the United States of America – not a perfect country, but the very best there is in this world. (Okay, Miss Smith (Kate), it’s time to sing God Bless America.)
No,, America isn’t racist,,,,
Blacks and liberals are !
Racism would be dead in the USA if it were not for Jessie Jackson , al Sharpton, eric holder and the race peddlers of this nation. These preachers of hate make millions of dollars a year while preying on their on people, The old slaver ways are over but the new slaver is the person that milks his on race b preaching hatred to keep the money pouring in.
A MARINE You forgot Obama in your list!
There were very peaceful marches in all major cities of course the right wing media had to call these riots. America is not racist. A silly, typical stereotypical thing to say. Without meaning or any impact. All of you now call these people commies. Yea. They won. Y did not. Will win again. Do the math.
Some of the riots were violent. I saw the damage they did. There are racists in America and they are in the democrat party.
Texan Texan What kind of math do you do exan Texan? Your post makes no sense. By the way I I hope that means eX Texan.
You have to understand that this is the game plan of the communists and this is why they installed the illegal, anti-American, anti-Christian Muslim-Marxist so that he and the “Dem-O-C0ms” would play the race card to bring down America as they are currently doing!Obaa-baa-ma and henchman Holder must be made to go, the soonwr the better!
Why do you call Zimmerman “overzealous?” Wasn’t he just doing his job?
I object to your penning that Zimmerman trailed Martin. By acounts at the time, he was walking back to his car. And now we hear on TV last night that Trayvon thought he was being followed by a “cracker,” likely came back fom his walk to his destination, and attacked Zimmerman. And did Martin attack Zimmerman because he thought Zimmerman was gay?
And, as I read (veracity?) yesterday, did this not happen at 3 AM?
1775Concord Zimmerman was told by police NOT to follow him!
BobE 1775Concord Zimmerman was told by a 911 dispatcher [not police] that he didn’t NEED to keep following Martin…you love to bend the truth
He was not told by the police, big difference. He was told not to follow by the 911 dispatcher.
1775Concord–The incident occurred shortly after 7 pm, not at 3 am.
barbie is a TROLL!! Ignore his posts!! He gets his info straight from the “pro-regressive” communist handbook. He is a racist, hate monger and just tries to cause a stir. It seems the texass texass Troll has decided to chime in , too. Another to just ignore.
RACIST, NO not us, really? Could it possibly be because of what we got stuck with in the White House, you think maybe?????????????
just got finished listening to Eric Holder speaking at the Orlando NAACP convention. HOLDER AND THE NAACP ARE THE TRUE RACISTS!!!
Time for an organization called NAANN!!! National Association for the Advancement of NON-NEGROS!!!!
SilasDoGood How about NAAJPA – – National Association for the Advancement of Just Plain Americans?
JohnDeere1953 SilasDoGood Love it!!! I stand humbled!!
Watching these black mobs, (unreported by the media) for the last year or so, has given me no choice but to profile. If there are two or three black hoods in one place at night, I can handle them but when it grows to 5 or 6 I get uncomfortable. Not scared, cause I’d still win, but it would get messy. My feelings were brought on by the overt racism displayed everyday by the likes of Sharpton, Jackson, Holder and Obama. If white people aren’t racist they are either dumb as a post or hopelessly indoctrinated by the press.
“We” who? I am not racist. I don’t have any friends that are racists. I am married to a man who is half American Indian and half Asian. I am mostly Scottish with a small bit of American Indian blood way back 5 generations. My best friend is black. We are all very conservative. I have lived in SoCal for 40 years and have many friends who are in mixed marriages. I personally consider all of this racist talk to be highly exaggerated and insulting to most of the people in this country.
Maybe exaggerated and insulting , but very , very profitable.
NOTICE, NOTICE, NOTICE
Please do not respond to BobE – he is a paid troll.
Petty criminal my backside! He was a felon caught with jewelry stolen from a home nearby and a burglar tool in his backpack at school. Not reported as a “crime” but rather as “found property” to lower the crime rate at that school. People were fired as a result of the investigation that followed later.
The absolute most bigoted, racist, individuals I have ever met, seen, or even heard about, are NOT caucasian. You fill in the missing crayola.
ElderAmbassador–Just for the record: the “burglar tool” in Martin”s backpack was a screwdriver. My husband carries a small one all the time, but is not a burglar–he works on computers. He does not, however, carry around “found jewelry”–that is another issue.
kmilliorn
Actually, the description of the screwdriver as a “burglar tool” is not mine. That is how the Police officer described it in his “found property” report. And yes, I carry a knife with me just about everywhere I go, except into Federal and State government buildings. It’s not a weapon, it’s a tool, just like the “small” screwdriver your husband carries.
BTW, my son carries a backpack with small screwdrivers and several other tools with which he works on computers.
As I’m sure you know already, the use of sharpened screwdrivers is pretty common among the criminal class. It makes a very effective stabbing weapon and is useful in forcing “safeguards” or locks.
Follow the money, racism must continue because too many are counting on it. If racism did not exist, lot’s of commentators and “community organizers” would be out of work! Ét tu Jesse, Al, Maxine (Waters), Martin (Bashir), Louis (Farrakhan), Michael (Eric Dyson), Van (Jones), Eugene (Robinson), Isaiah (Poole) and Melissa (Harris-Perry) et al.? As well, racism sustains the need for a savior, and the answer is always big-government socialism while the fault is always the white capitalist. Racism of course is any time a conservative (especially a white, Christian one) disagrees with a liberal, especially a liberal minority.
Sounds like a community agitator industry to me.
stevetanton I like your last sentence.
stevetanton Do ya think Ron & Rand Paul would be out of a job too?
BobE stevetanton
BobE you are from NY and Kalifornia. You are not from Texas or Kentucky.
Why do Ron and Rand bother you so much/
Don’t you have enough crap in Kalifornia to keep you shoveling manure for the next thirty years?
This has two points for the Democrats: It keeps the news away from the IRS, NSA, Benghazi, the putrid economy and Obama’s sinking poll numbers and it beefs up his black base, they were losing faith in him. He and Holder can play “the Great Protectors of Black America” to the hilt. It keeps America divided, and with all the scandals going on, they need to keep it divided – “United we stand, divided we fall” We are too divided and suspicious of each other to band together and demand impeachment and penalties for the crooks, and they continue their merry little game.
lokiswife I am confused. Everyone continually refers to President Obama as our black President. He is half black and half white. I realize that in slave days anyone who was 1/4 black was considered black – ergo, more people one could own as slaves. Such is no longer the case, so shouldn’t Mr. Obama be referred to as our half black President? Or half white President? Or he could be referred to as our mulatto President. That is an appropriate and proper word as far as I know. Just curious. It must be to someone’s advantage to refer to him as “our black President.” Makes one wonder……………………
JohnDeere1953–Obama is “black” because he designated himself as such. It was socially, academically, & politically expedient (as well as easier than explaining why he called himself white when he LOOKED black–probably the best explanation of all!)
JohnDeere1953 lokiswife I have been calling Obummer the half-white president since he was elected:)
My friend, don’t buy into that crap. Here’s two quotes from two great men.
One from Abraham Lincoln, ” If you want to test the character of a man, give him some power.”
The other from Martin Luther King, “Judge a man by the content of his character, and not by the color of his skin.” Skin wars cause nothng but unecessary misery and continued suffering. If we really want God’s help in our nations recovery, then we all need to step up to the plate with a lot better mentality than we’ve shown over the past 237 years of our nations existence. Don’t make the mistake of thinking of O as being Black (I for one doubt that very seriously). The most important thing to remember is, he is Muslim. So it dosen’t matter what color we are to him, if we are not Muslim he hates us and our nation point blank. That is going to become an overwelming task for those who voted for him, who side and support him and who love him because they are under the mistaken belief that he is Black. If he is still in power in the coming years it will be show time for the Blacks who side with him whether they are Christians are not because he will want all of America to convert to Islam. It may well be a good idea to start thinking right now whether or not we should choose death or a concentration camp. I’ll choose to die, heaven is my home anyway.
LarryChambers Excellent comment.
One racist who in my opinion is worse than most is Reverand Wright in Chicago. The very man Obama sat in front of every Sunday for years.
The average American sees the government and the media as the most racist groups of people in this country.
A large percentage of average people do not see color and get upset, but enter the government: “ALL non-whites are too stupid and incapable of seeing to their own needs.”
Enter the media: “There’s a minority, let’s see if we can stir up a riot to increase viewership and jack the newshour ad time rates.”
Could all the lame stream media be charged with insighting to riot? Seems like that is exactly what happened.
Concerned Veteran from another concerned vet. Sensationalising sells newspapers and that’s all that matters to these scumbags. I can only remember when the so called legitimate news papers used to make fun of the National inquirer and those similar tabloids. These guys are no different.
Samurai_Sam Concerned Veteran Thank you both for your service, from the widow of a retired Air Force Sgt.
Samurai_Sam Concerned Veteran And I too thank you for your service,My husband was Army,but is no longer with me but from one Military to other Military we thank you so much for your service and May God Bless
I’m sure if BO had a son he “would” be just like Trayvon. “A punk” If BO was his father what choice would he have with that connection. Seems like Trayvons father may actually be a reasonable person from the little I’ve seen or heard from him. Maybe I’m wrong about that!
People keeping Racism alive, Jessie Jackson Jr., Al Shrapton, Eric holder, Barack Obama and all of the main stream media
all the race baiters and the current Pontif is making sure the race issue stays alive and grows.. we have lost more on race in the last 5 years than what we have gained in the last 50…
Obviously “racism” is in the eye of the beholder.
johnnywoods
Did someone said, from Barcak Hussein Obama, Eric Holder and all the way down???
I have, over the years, learned not to finger point and shake blame. Both of these guys made bad choices which left one of them dead. But I do not agree that it was murder. Murder has behind it intent. Zimmerman as I understand, was walking back to his vehicle. That would suggest that Trayvon jumped him from behind. If anyone of you have ever been jumped from behind let me tell you, it is one scary feeling. You don’t know who it is or why, and you’ve lost all sense of direction. You don;t have time to gather your thoughts nor can you really. All you’re thinking about is the next breath and if it’s coming. Zimmerman was thinking the only thing that would save his life at that moment was his gun. Would the situation have been the same if it were reversed? Of course not. In the predicament Zimmerman was in, choice of color never came to mind. But judging by some of those statements made by Trayvon would strongly suggest he was a racist. As I said before, “Only racist people use racist words regardless of them trying to justify them by other means, they are what they are.” My thing is I love facts because facts reveal truth. If you ever find yourself grunting, panting, struggling or gasping for your last breath see if it matters what color the one is behind you.
LarryChambers Very well stated. Thank you.
LarryChambers Martin did not attack Zimmerman from behind. As a black person I would think you more than most could understand the fear a 17 year old black kid would have walking down the street at night in the south when a grown man starts to follow him. Martin was the one that had EVERY right to be scared! Zimmerman the bumbling idiot he is got VERY lucky he didn’t stumble upon a REAL criminal or he would be the one in the grave
BobE LarryChambers If Travon Martin was scared, he would have run away. Instead, he wanted to play the big man and whip Zimmerman’s butt.
BobE
yes, a 17 year old 6’2″ kid that loved to fight, had been suspended from School three times in the same year, had been caught in School with dope, womens jewelry, and burglary tools in his backpack, bragged about wanting a rematch with a kid because he did not make him bleed enough the first time, was in trouble with the law for slapping around a 50 year old woman bus driver, referred to all women as biotc*hes, had mary juana in his blood stream, was seeking a source of pure codeine so he could make a stronger drink of lean, drinked lean all the time, had just bought water melon drink and skittles at the store which makes up a concoction of a drink called lean along with cough syrup. and according to his cell phone records was attempting to buy an illgegal .380 pistol (he could not own a gun, he was on 17, and with his record he probably would never be able to own a gun legally.)
BobbE, Tryvon was not an innocent kid, he was hoodlum death looking for a place to happen. It was only a matter of time.
Trayvons Dad was a member of the Crips gang, you know the Bloods and the crips.
Why are you defending him?
It IS NOT racism that is the problem IT IS the N****RS that are the problem!!!! Like Obama, Holder, Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, the NAACP, and the N****R LOVERS!!!
Eric Holder IS EXCITING VIOLENCE against White and the Police!!!!!
Could this be the cause for marshal law that Obama has wanted??? Be prepared and DON’T be a VICTIM!!!!
Do to the lies from the likes of Jackson and Sharpton racism that was once to be looked down upon with contempt has turned into a self defense mechanism. With 90% of the street crime in big cities committed by blacks one has to profile to keep from becoming a victim. The black mobs are not only not arrested and jailed but the police seem to be down playing their existence at the expense of the rest of us.
It seems obvious the blacks are being used by the government to start race wars and riots hoping the rest of us will finally get enough and retaliate. Then they have a case for martial law and confiscation of all weapons. Then..
tyranny of the minority’s will arrive
You are absolutely correct. They have already got places to throw everyone into. Our so called mis-leaders are the creators of this problem with the election and appointments of certain individuals, which are causing this misconception, along with the Lame stream media. We still have 3 more yrs. for this to kick off. REVOLUTION is coming and we can’t seem to do anything about it.
I strongly disagree with this statement about America. Yes, it does have some, but over all America has many, many good people who would give the shirt off their backs to help some one else, so let’s be truthful here and give credit were credit is due.
MikeSlaney Amen, Mike. I agree.
hi johndeere1953, i won’t mind at all, you may borrow it.
It seems odd to me that Zimmerman was the one who precipitated this whole thing. If he did, shouldn’t Trayvon have had some visible injuries? Apparently he sneaked up on Zimmerman and knocked him down causing a broken nose and cuts to the back of his head. Being straddled by Trayvon, Zimmerman would have been having a very tough time with nowhere else for the blood from his broken nose to go without causing a choking feeling. I don’t wonder that he felt as if he had to defend himself, and when Trayvon reached for Zimmerman’s gun, he had not choice.
correction;;this President and attorney general are RACIST; the left wing media ARE RACIST, the black/liberal legislators ARE RACIST;leave we the people out of this baseless insane conclusion. blacks are INHERENTLY PARANOID AND RACIST.; even in South Africa, Sudan, Ethiopia, Kenya; they are what they are [low self esteem]
DavidPeacock Listen up card carrying white libtards: The racewarlords named obamanation, sharpton, jackson, and holder, et al, are stirring it up. It is obvious they have an agenda that has nothing to do with the rule of law. If the mobs come to your neighborhood, they aren’t going to check for your naacp or communist membership cards. They are going to rip you a new one just for the color of your skin. So what are you going to do? I imagine some of you will join the KKK again, since they were/are democrats. Isn’t irony wonderful? Destroyed by the monsters you helped create and support.
The media as well as the Florida court has withheld Trybons criminal record from criminal proceedings. The fact that he was referred to as alittle boy going to the store to get candy and a drink was also misleading. No uptodate photos of the 17 year old were shown as well because of his ‘gangsta” insignia tatoos. One large one over his rt eye. So why the reference as to a little boy ? He was a young man of 17. He has had run ins with the law, he has been a problematic teen associated with bad friends. He was in fact as much a wannabe thug as Zimmerman was a wannbe cop. But missing from the purchase list for trybon was a bottle of robutussin DM, that was mixed with his tea to make what they call “lean” on the streets. why was that info not shared ? Teens are killed across the US in gang violence, esp Chicago. Does Eric Holder fast abd furioous murderer extrordinaire know this ?
If America wasn’t racist, it sure is learning it now . With the SHAMEFUL barbaric actions of the BLACKs.! THEY ARE THE RACIST…..
valea heyl You are correct. Led by Al, Jesse, Oprah, Obama, Holder and many others, including many uninformed whites, racism is rampant. Many blacks are trying to do the right thing, but, are Uncle Toms according to the sorry and shiftless. Noone cares when whites are beaten or killed, but let a thug get injured or killed by a white, the blacks start their riots. We had all better wake up soon or it will be too late to co-exist.
valea heyl I did not think I was racist but apparently I am and becoming more racist everyday. I thought I was an American….E Pluribus Unum. I do not like people who want to deny the Rule of Law and start riots and vulgar displays of hatred in the streets. I do not care what color they are. Apparently the Anti American Black community wants to speak for all blacks. ALSO, our president incites lawlessness. I do not like it. It seems evil to me.
The premise of this entire piece is false. The judge prohibited reference of anyone to ‘racial profiling’, the essence of Zimmerman’s motivation (as this piece indicates) to pursue Martin whose only ‘wrongdoing’ was walking in his black skin, with a stereotypical hoodie. The testimony showed the defendant using pejorative terms, racial terms, acting on a history of blacks ‘getting away’ constantly, and the defense introducing surreptitiously racially charged items to slant the jury’s thinking toward race. The prosecutor was incompetent in many respects countering obvious racial stereotypes that condemned the dead boy and exonerated the defendant, clearly murdering a teen minding his own business. It’s hate criminality at its most insideous–hiding behind gun laws and faux peer jury and judicial constraint in a gun slinging, republican dominated state. As a gun owner, white male, law abiding, aware citizen who served on multiple juries as foreman, I’m aghast at the miscarriage of justice involving this vigilante killing an innocent.
DrBillLemoine I couldn’t agree more!
BobE DrBillLemoine OF COURSE ….birds of a feather fly together!
DrBill & BobE–If there were any doubt, the two of you provide the most graphic evidence that the trial of this case has generated massive amounts of heat, but very little light!
kmilliorn Drbill & Bobe are two of a kind. Both feel that anything they think is fact. Really pathetic!
BobE DrBillLemoine Of course you would agree with Dr. Bill, you are a ravist race baiter.
Along with being many other things.Theist, hater of Christian, gay lover.
Should I keep going, oh yeah
Liberal, and many other thins, yes BobE.
Atheist.
Abortion supporter.
Dang BobE you are always on the wrong side, aren’t you.
DrBillLemoine Did you hurt yourself with all that straining? Very little of what you wrote existed in fact during this trial or during the episode that created it. Shame on you. I devoutly hope you need a heating pad for a very long time. By the way, I’m aghast at you.
DrBillLemoine I’m afraid you may be part of the problem!!!
DrBillLemoine And the FACT. The FACT that the FBI went into Zimmerman’s background all the way back to his childhood and found no evidence that he was racist. The FACT that the crime was investigated by the police and local police deemed it to be self-defense and it was dropped. The FACT that the local prosecutor would not pursue this other than it was self-defense.
Only when Obama and Holder decided to make it a racist crime and send a special prosecutor to prosecute the case and I might add Obama and Holder decided to send in protesters to stir up the community did this become head line news. The FACT that more black men were murdered by other blacks in Chicago in one weekend thanin Afghanistan and the news never wrote one word about the murders in Chicago. Get a life you and BobE.
BillLemoine–And, so the FBI investigation into Zimmerman’s potential racial bias was inadequate, despite its interviewing nearly 3 dozen people & finding no evidence of any history of tendencies to racial discrimination in language or actions? How do you factor in the history of 8 robberies & burglaries in the compound in 14 months (in many of which young black males were seen in the act or found with stolen goods)? How is that irrelevant? What “racially-charged terms” did the defense introduce “surreptitiously”? If Martin was merely “minding his own business”, how did the fight ensue?– did you see it start? Why was the jury ” faux-peer” one? WHOSE peers did YOU want? NO ONE is seated on a jury unless BOTH prosecution AND defense agree on them.
DrBillLemoine YOU were NOT in Zimmerman’s position getting your face beat-in and head cracked on a cement walkway; SO TELL us WHAT exactly would you have done to excape possible great bodily harm or death, my friend?!
DrBillLemoine Excuse my error; ESCAPE
ANTICRIME DrBillLemoine
Dr. Bill would have offered them a free aids test.
DrBillLemoine You were great in Goonies. {Just wanted to remind you} It always seems your position is contrary to all people who actually have a job and stay out of trouble. It is tragic that a human life was taken but your views and comments are nuts. They actually made you a foreperson on a jury? Tell me what state you live in and I will scratch that from my list of states to visit. I assume the evidence is something you decide to ignore and in your BS, make believe world you condemn Republicans as “gun slinging” I would suggest the local magistrate take your guns ASAP as you are certifiable. Have a nice day coward.
DrBillLemoine You say it is false. Apparently the Jury disagrees with you.
Too bad, So sad.
DrBillLemoine
Your attempt to impress was not successful. You’re using distorted facts. The fact is TM attacked GZ. Furthermore GZ had every right to do exactly what he was doing watching someone he had never seen before in the neighborhood who was acting suspicious on a dark rainy night not especially a night for a leisurely walk around the block. Race had absolutely nothing to do with it. Someone attacks me the same way and I’m carrying and I usually am he dies just like TM. I don’t care what color he is just as GZ did not take color into account.
Amazing. Zimmerman isn’t even “whitey” but because of his “heritage” his name sounds white and man did they jump all over it. Trayvon was an up and coming thug. No one can deny it with that record and be taken seriously. Zimmerman may have over-reacted at the time but apparently he was right. He had to fight this so called “little boy”. That’s another shameful representation. After seeing his real picture if he was near me I would have kept an eye on him myself. If Zimmerman would have been black this would not even hit the local news other than the basic details. Pathetic.
Works4Loser Now Zimmerman’s great grandfather turns out to be black – how Ironic, it screws up their
black racist propaganda.
Works4Loser
Totally agree except I do not think GZ over reacted. If someone attacks me and I’m armed, and I usually am, under the same circumstances there would, no doubt, be the same outcome. So I think it was justified homicide
AZDon Works4Loser do you feel you have the right to pursue someone that you thinks looks “suspicious” pick a fight & if you start to lose shoot the person?
BobE AZDon Works4Loser
I think if someone attacks me with no warning I have the right to defend myself and to shoot that person dead.
Apparently the Zimmerman jury agreed.
chamuiel BobE AZDon Works4Loser Under FL stand your ground law apparently it doesn’t matter who attacks who or anything else prior to the moment a person “fears” his life is in danger & at that moment you’re allowed to shoot somebody. If Rand Paul & his good friend the “southern avenger” walk into a bar that’s filled with blacks & begin to toast to “John Wilkes Booth Day” & make racial slurs & they were “confronted” they may very well be in their right to shoot everyone in the place if they “feared for their life’s”
BobE chamuiel AZDon Works4Loser Well, I have seen some really stupid comments before, but this one sets a new standard.
Is that the highest level you mind can function at boobE?
BobE AZDon Works4Loser Who picked the fight?
Were you there? Are you an eyewitness? Do you have video and audio of the event?
Since you have such intimate knowledge of the event, the martin family attorney would dearly love to hear from you.
If Zimmerman was truly innocent he would have took the stand in his own defense. He didn’t because he wasn’t.
BobE Innocent until proven guilty. They didn’t, because he wasn’t.
mapoffla BobE Don’t respond to BobE…he is a troll and agitator who does not like this country
DavidSimmons mapoffla BobE Sorry, I couldn’t resist. 🙂
BobE He didn’t take the stand because he did an interview and admitted to what he did. No need to take the stand.
BobE Interesting theory. How long have you lived in our Country? The sad part about your remark is that some people actually believe it.
BobE he did not have to take the stand the Police did not have any reason to arrest him in the beginning,Sharpton,Jackson and his cronies of the NAACP keep pushing until they got Obama,involved and demanded his arrest so the police had to arrest him thank you
voncile fullwood BobE Have they even got the word in the south yet that it’s illegal to shoot black people?
BobE voncile fullwood hope and neither have you
BobE voncile fullwood It is not illegal to shoot a black person when they attack you without warning.
To say you know Zimmerman was guilty is easily discounted by me saying I know Zimmerman is innocent.
There we have both said our asinine beliefs and have cancelled each other out.
chamuiel I suppose you think OJ was innocent too?
BobE
I thought O.J. was guilty as Hell.
I did not riot nor threaten anyone when he was found innocent.
chamuiel BobE so you would agree that our justice system is not perfect & their are times the guilty go free
Just your opinion.
Opinions are li9ke ass holes.
If the militant black community going around making threats and actually beating up random victims as a response, had any balls they would be rallying in East Los Angeles where young blacks are systematically murdered by latino gang and the black families there are under terrorist tactics to evacuate the area. This is no small secret but for the vacuum of mainstream media reporting on it. I guess talking tough to a fat half-wit who defended himself is ‘courageous’ enough. There are literally hundreds of black teens and men in their early twenties in the morgues of LA each of the last 5 years as this primitive genocide effort continues. Where is the White House? Well Obama and the Democrats aren’t about to divide the voting blocks of the latinos and blacks are they. Now there is the real tragedy. http://www.yourblackworld.net/2013/01/black-news/latino-gangs-launch-attacks-on-black-families-in-compton-to-drive-them-out-of-the-city/
RadioKenPittman Care to comment on the fratricide in Chicago? Or is that ok with you?
RadioKenPittman The White Community for the most part has been patient with them for years and years!
This statement is going to sound so weak; but none-the-less, it is true. Since when is it racist to detest “a behavior” of another person” regardless of their color?
It isn’t! The Black Community is making it all about racism; and it hasn’t been until lately AND THEY ARE THE ONES CAUSING IT!
IF A SPECIFIC GROUP of people act in specific ways….they are a “hate group” and they hate “another group” which are not like them. That is racism. It is as though they want to be able to get away with anything and everything BECAUSE they are “black”…which is racism ON THEIR PART…not ours.
Am I making sense?
Upaces RadioKenPittman Do you think black kids have the right to walk down the street & not get shot?
bob E.diot…..When one person physically attacks another person they put their life on the line… Whyt would it be different with Travon???
Let me come smash you in the face and bash your head on the ground and reach for your gun and see what you do…
The truth about you bob is you hate God and consequently white men….You love evil and untruths and hate innocent men be it Jesus or Zimmerman…..God needs to put ou in the same position as was Zimmerman… The moron racists including yourself that are against white men have destroyed Zimmerman’s life..Shame on you…
e1313ruth
Your wasting your time with Bobe, he just argues to make himself feel like an adult. He thinks that’s what adults do. I do like the play of words for his name, made me laugh or as the kids say lol……….
I wasn’t in the past, but I am getting there very fast.
Maybe if Trayvon had been the president’s son he could have taught him to be a better crook…
I don’t know about the rest of you but I am sick and tired of hearing about this ! It’s over he was found not guilty and that should be the end of it.
lavender lady Unfortunately people are doing much more than just arguing about it. It isn’t something that can be ignored.
it is the stupid blacks and the white blacks side by side that is doing all the rioting.I’m tire of it to but Sharpton is holding the race card and not letting go
voncile fullwood I agree with you. I feel they are the ones causing all the trouble. They are the ones that are exciting all the riots. Don’t they know that it makes them look stupid JUST SAYING
Politicians and those who are in the business of promoting specific groups are the only reason racism is alive and well. During the trial Zimmerman was labeled a “wanna-be”. In reality, folks like Jesse Jackson and his ilk are in-fact the wanna-be’s. They desparately want to be the next Martin Luther King. If racism dies, they are out of a job. When you add in media outlets who are desparate for business and politicians who promote themselves by using “race-baiting”, you have a pretty clear picture of racism in this country.
Beydmosky ‘if racism dies, they are out of a job.’ You captured the concept but did not elaborate. Sharpton <isn’t that ironic as far as names go>, Jackson, et al are there to whip up the flames to build their following and whether or not they do, there will be actions that only cause racism to linger and ‘battle lines’ to build. As was said of the Israelites: ‘You can take the Israelites out of Egypt but you can’t take Egypt out of the Israelites.’ That’s pretty heavy to get a hold on but it speaks to the issue.
This ongoing bone chewing by the JD et al serves a purpose: who is talking about Benghazi, IRS, AP etc at this point in time?
Newsel Well, the LAST people you’ll see talking about those issues are the GOP because those issues BLEW UP in their face!
BobE Newsel
They will blow up in obama, and hillary’s faces.
You are right about that.
It is is not over.
You will not accept that The Zimmerman trial is over, so why should we accept that Benghazi, IrS is over.
Look at it this BoobE, we haven’t even had our trial yet.
You have.
chamuiel BobE Newsel The Zimmerman trial is over. I accept that. Sometimes justice is not served. I hope he gets sued in civil court as I want to see him on the stand.
BobE
I hope you get religion and get saved.
BobE
I also hope you become a Human being and not an animal.
If you accepted the Zimmerman verdict, you would shut up about it.
Why do you get so ogffended when I say You me be gay? You love gays, and support them.
Me thinks thou doest protest to much.
Isn’t gays where it is all at today? Why do you get so offended.
chamuiel BobE If I were to get religion it wouldn’t be one of the Abrahamic religions they are to boring, uptight & absurd. It would be something interesting like voodoo, Santeria, Wicca or some gothic religion because even though I could never believe any of it the people would be interesting & I’ve always had a “thing” for “Goth Girls”.
BobE
So you admit you would be a devil whorshipper?
Hey, you could join those lovers of abortions and chant Hell satan.
chamuiel BobE they are not devil worshippers but I simply cannot believe in anything without evidence so there is no religion I can believe
BobE
When you chant hail satan,. that is not worshipping the devil?
My, what strange ideas you have.
Your list of accomplishments are growing BobE Add devil worship to that list.
BobE chamuiel iz ok dude. GOD will Love you even if your brain is deformed and nonfunctioning.
At least now we know what head you think with.
GrumpyOldGoat BobE chamuiel
BobE this is a must see for you, it’s just right for your age level
Jesus Loves You……BobE
elnegron77 GrumpyOldGoat BobE chamuiel it’s a catchy tune!
chamuiel
BobE
I’m not offended in the least. I’m just not gay. Unlike most of you people I have lived among gay people my entire life in NYC & LA do not discriminate against them. I don’t think that Christians opposed to Gay Marriage even begin to comprehend how offensive their
bigoted homophobia is to most of us, whether Gay or Straight.
BobE
And I do not think you understand just how offensive your lies and bigoted attitude is to the rest of us.
chamuiel BobE Are you accusing me of being a bigot because I’m bigoted against bigots?
BobE
Just another stupid statement avoiding the truth and having to honestly answer the question/.
BobE, all you do is try to obfuscate.
Sorry, it is not working.
BobE chamuiel trying to make this about you now?
BobE chamuiel Oh sure, BoobE, I’ve heard you admit on other posts that you really admired gay people like Barney Franks and Richard Simmons and loved their lifestyle. That sounds like, to me, that you are gay. You need to come out and shut that “closet” door and support your gay pride.
BobE The sad part of this orchestrated drama by LW numb nuts and the MSM is that we have heard zip from any one regarding this issue who is in a position of consequence in the GOP. This is exactly the reason the GOP lost in 2012. To “nice” to a fault.
See http://www.divine-way.com; the same people stirring up riots around the world to overthrow government continues in America ( and remember Presidents Obama supported the rebels.)
Party for Socialism and Liberation member and ANSWER
Coalition organizer Eugene Puryear speaks about the fight for justice for
Trayvon Martin. The Party for Socialism and Liberation and the ANSWER Coalition
immediately took to the streets with others on Saturday and Sunday to protest
the acquittal of George Zimmerman for the racist, cold-blood murder of Martin.
A video of the July 13 San Francisco emergency demonstration is also available
on the website. PSLweb.org
Racial discrimination preserves successful civilizations. Rather than bending over in each direction to demonstrate his egalitarianism, the White Christian should reject the premise that racism is inherently immoral or irrational.
At least acquaint yourself with Trotsky’s motives when he fabricated the “sin” of racism.
Discrimination merely means making choices. Why should it matter what criteria people use?
Richard–That may have been true once. Tell that to my spouse, who cannot file a harassment complaint against a fellow faculty member who routinely holds meetings to try to get him fired & fills the university faculty bulletin board with slanderous emails–but the culprit is a MINORITY & my husband is WHITE so HR & the campus office in charge of harassment won’t even TALK to my husband! Now, tell me that those in charge of those departments are simply “making choices”!
With a president who’s very first public action is to have a beer with a black man he thought had been dissed because of color. He showed exactly what he is a white hating racist trouble maker very close with the other black known for the same traits Al Sharpton. He has done more racial division in the world in the last four years than has been known over the period since the 1960’s. The Peace prize! My God Nobel is now known as the whirling dervish
I hope the Martin family file a civil suit that could force Zimmerman to take the stand, and subject him to cross-examination concerning his deeds that fateful day
BobE Wake up.
another thing you do not know. In the State of Florida, if one is cleared of a crime, the family cannot file a civil suit. That is the law in Florida. It is designed to stop unecessary lawsuits being filed.
Now, in very liberal California, you can do that. I said before you know nothing about his case.
Attorney General Holder has opened an email address where one can go and give tips on why Zimmerman is guilty.
Go tell them, you know Zimmerman is guilty, that ought to be enough to convict him, heck with Holder it might work.
chamuiel BobE Trayvon’s family could sue Zimmerman in civil court for wrongful death you MORON! Are you really that stupid or do you just make shit up knowing that the people here aren’t that bright & will believe ANYTHING they hear if they want to hear it?
BobE chamuielIt sounds like to me that you are another liberal whining and crying that they didn’t get their way in this trial. Since you have gotten everything have wanted since Obama took office (except gun control), you stamp your feet and throw a tantrum when you lose when the system fails you. You always love to quote court rulings and worship our judicial system when it undermines religion and favors the liberal agenda. Why not now? And here are a few tweet quotes from Lupe Fiasco to put you in perspective (he’s a black muscian/celebrity btw):
“Rub your face in it! Swallow down that hard pill! Black blood spills in the streets of America nightly at the hands other blacks
Yeah gimme that anger…once again that rage…that misguided angst when you true enemy is your own complacency and cowardice.
Curse kick scream yell tweet unfollow. Don’t matter to me if y’all don’t start valuing yourselves N*****S will be in the same boat tomorrow
Nobody knows what really happened except trayvon and Zimmerman. The justice system relies on reasonable doubt not our emotions.”
BobE
chamuiel
If one is cleared in a criminal court in Florida, someone cannot bring a suit in Civil Court and sue you.
Mara, Zimmermans defense attorney has already said this. Florida enacted the law to keep people from going to civil court and filing a civil case , you know frivalous lawsuits.
Yes, In Krazy Kialifornia, you can do that, but not in Florida.
Read and learn, BoobE
stixuits21
BobE is a liberal born in NY, now living in Kalifornia. He hates Christians. He loves Gays,race baiting, abortionists, and anything liberal.
He will argue incoherently over long periods of time with out ever offering proof of what he says.
When you give him proof, he refuses to believe it.
He is the ultimate obamabot.
BobE
chamuiel
I have no need to lie
Truth serves me perfectly.
The only one who needs to le is your self, like saying Krazy Kalifornia’s finances are in the black and doinfg well.
BobE, you are delusional, even more so for pushing the race baiters version of trayvon/martin.
Why are you not in Oakland rioting with Occupy Oakland?
chamuiel
stixuits21
I’m STILL waiting for you to prove the universe
is less than 10,000 years old & all of geology and biology are wrong, the
speed of light has been wrongly calculated, so Einsteinian physics is wrong &
the distance and speed of other galaxies has been wrongly calculated, meaning
that all of astronomy and therefore Newtonian physics are also wrong & win your Nobel Prize!
stixuits21
And I forgot BobE is a atheist, and possibly gay.
chamuiel stixuits21 I’ve told you I happen to be straight but support same sex marriage yet you still CANNOT get gay sex out of your mind. You’re just another self loathing conservative Christian leading the anti-gay parade that’s a closet homosexual
BobE chamuiel
Then posting here makes you feel superior eh bob . Got news for you your not .
stixuits21 BobE chamuiel MY way?? I wasn’t involved in the trial dumbass other than I don’t agree with the verdict! A criminal decision & a supreme court decision have a different effect on us in case you weren’t aware of that.
BobE chamuiel
Hey BobE, you at it again. Your childish gibberish just shines through. You just don’t understand that calling people “morons” does not help your case. Please go play with your little friends and let the adults speak. And remember,
Jesus Loves You BobE………..
elnegron77 BobE chamuiel Jesus loves me?? Did you ever wonder why there are so many “suffering saviors” with the same basic story as jesus but predate him by hundreds & thousands of years?
BobE
No, but I have wondered why I keep suffering a idiot, you.
chamuiel BobE I can tell you why you keep suffering (1) you lost the sperm lottery & are not very bright (2) you’re a Christian & believe the bible to be true. (3) you’re a self loathing closet homosexual racked with guilt because you’re going to burn in hell
BobE stixuits21
BUt BobE you don’t agree with anything unless they are gay or doing an abortion.
BobE elnegron77 chamuiel
BoBE, say what you want but it’s not going to change that fact that Jesus Loves little children which would include you. Now go play with your science kit and let the adults speak.
Jesus Loves You BobE………no getting around that.
BobE
At the age of 68, I would think my sperm level is a little lowere than say when I was 20.
How very astute of you.
Yes, I am Christian, and I do believe in God.
The rest is just garbage in your head.
As far as being bright, I qualified for MENSA, and was asked to join, but I chose not to.
chamuiel BobE
chamuiel, you should get permission from bobe parents before you speak to him about adult topics, you don’t want to be accused of endangering the mind of a minor.
elnegron77 chamuiel BobE ,
You may have a good point there.
BobE chamuiel I have been reading your comments, and I am shocked by you to say the least. First of you talk about this punk like he’s the little kid in the photo that is shown by his family and on TV. Well that was when he was 12 and not 17. This POS used drugs , sold drugs and sold guns, he has been expelled from school. He was a wanna be thug. Your defense of this punk defies logic, You fall in the web of deceit that is being pushed by the liberal left and you believe it follow it and spread it. They should bring back the mental test to vote, you would never pass that’s for sure, I hope that your any only child so that no one else in your family can contaminate the gene pool and I hope you have not kids. if you do you should be tried for child endangerment with your stupidity. The thing that really saddens me is I am a combat vet and the thought that I fought so liberal scum like you can show what a idiot you are here on the web. You should take heart though, things are going to change soon and people will remember who you are,
I hope your judged by god and not by your piers you may not come out so well
A MARINE BobE chamuiel
A report has just been released showing some results from the autopsy. It shows damage to Trayvons liver consistant with the abuse of DXM, the substance that is in cough syrup, and the drink lean.
Lean can make one extremely agressive and violet if used over a period of time.
It is rather obvious that Travon had abused lean for sometime due to the damage found in his liver.
BonbE repeats the same stale tired old lies we have been hearing for months about Trayvon and Zimmerman
Trayvon was 17 years old 6’2″ tall if you go by the last School he attended, 6’3″ tall if you go by his parents.
He had gold metal covered teeth and he had numerous tattoos.
He had traces of marijuana in his blood stream and he like the drink lean.
He was at the store buying watermelon drink and skittles (both ingredients in lean) to make more.
The Media keeps saying ice tea to focus away from the truth.
According to his cell phone records he was looking for a much more potent source of DXM, the substance in cough syrup, and he was negociating to buy an illegal .380 pistol. At the age of 17, it is illegal for him to own a gun and to carry it.
These are proven facts that BobE cannot accept.
His Father was a member of the Crips, of bloods and crips fame.
A MARINE BobE chamuiel Lean can make one violent, interestingly enough it is also referred to as the purple drink.
chamuiel A MARINE BobE I know these people will believe ANYTHING that fits into their narrative but do you really believe they are dumb enough to believe that?
chamuiel BobE You’re 68??? I don’t buy it! Even a compete retard would manage to become brighter than you if they were 68. Even Alzheimer’s couldn’t explain your lack of intellect at that age.
BobE chamuiel There you go talking about sperm again, BoobE. Is that all you have on that very small, weak mind of yours? Do you have a sperm addiction?
BobE–Say something rational for a change! I know you are capable.
I heard Eric Holder say on television that he whenever had the talk with his son and that in light of recent events, a lot of work at to be done in this country…..So, he is supposed to be the Attorney General of the United States (not black America) and he gave a speech aimed at blacks about how he believes the verdict was wrong. I think we have to get Holder, Obama and all those who think like them out of office before they do permanent, irreparable damage to this country where it becomes a third world nation in a new world order.
sunnynomore Might be to late. Odumbo thinks he is the KING!!!!!!!!!
sunnynomore ,
Holder spoke at a meeting of the NAACP about this.
So what else is new? The world is prejudice, get used to it. It’s up to each of us to accept it, and deal with it…be objective; if possible; only the “facts”.
we have a judicial system that is altho not perfect is still the best in the world… he was found NOT GUILTY…. done finished… get over it… accept the verdic and grow up and move on… i dont recalling everybody (white people) getting all bent out of shape when OJ got off…. get over it…
@Bumbury1
You stated it best . People need to put their big boy and girl pants on and get over it.
I want to know why people of color can beat up white innocent people in the streets, on their own property, harass them in malls, throw stones and bottles at them in cars, and yet they are not considered racist? Even the police and media don’t consider their violence as hate crimes or racist- just mint altercations. I see people of color every day driving cars I cannot afford, eating food I cannot afford, and hold positions of power as CEO’s managers, department heads, doctors and lawyers, so I am a bit confused about the supposed lack of equality among people of color. Notice I use “people of color” because so many now-a-days are biracial, and 90% have probably not been out of the US, nor have their parents, grand and great grand parents ( unless they served in the military).
What am I missing? I am educated with 5 degrees and well traveled, but I just don’t get the race card when people of color are better off than I am, and I don’t get welfare or an EBT card.
One reason is that evil is on the rise everywhere, so please becareful. People nowadays are using race as an excuse and that is not held to any particular color. Slaves an slave masters have long been gone but how many do you see with your own eyes continue to stir that pot of excrement? They won’t let it die. It’s as if they feed off of it. But we are now faced with another growing problem that is not being paid much attention too. And that is the attacks on Americans by Muslims and Islam. What makes this so intriguging is that some Americans may well be converting to Islam. One of the Boston bombers is married to an American woman. I wonder why we haven’t heard from her? Some Blacks are known Muslims. In fact, a Congressman is a Muslim who is Black. That’s why I say I don’t think a revolution is the way to go with getting our nation back under control. We do not know who’s who in this country anymore. Remeber how well we used to know our next door neighbor? It’s not that way anymore. Just look around you and see who is it that you know well enough to trust. And God I hope you don’t say you live in an apartment building. It’s a challenge just to leave the confines of your home anymore, is it not?
LarryChambers Japan has lasted thousands of years and could last thousands more – as long as they stay homogenous. They wouldn’t last a hundred if they started importing racial aliens like Blacks or Whites. Diversity is weakness, Homogeneity is strength. America needs to be White again. Blacks need their own Nation in the Deep South.
lughon1 LarryChambers Admit it! Your real name is Rand Paul!
So in essence what you’re saying is that you don’t care for the Black race? But you see America is not built upon your level of thinking. We will always have problems and difficuties; things to work out. What kind of life would we have if we didn’t. We find answers and solutions through the working out of problems not running away from them. You’re out of your mind if you think all Whites love all Whites or that all Whites believe as you do. It dosen’t work, life is not designed that way nor can it exist or survive that way. If it were so there would be no interacial marriages. You can’t stop people from loving who they choose. We all came from somewhere different, we were all searching for a place of peace regardless of how we got here. If you don’t like it, talk to God about it. Tell Him you don’t like what He’s done.
LarryChambers So Blacks don’t have the right to have their own Nations? Or East Asians? Or South Asians? Or do you just deny this right to Whites? Bigot.
The Founders created this Nation for their own People. You think they built this for somebody else? Who does that? Did the Chinese build and maintain China for Blacks? Why do you expect Whites to do so?
LarryChambers Southern Christian conservatives fought like hell against interracial marriages just as they are know fighting against gay marriage.
BobE LarryChambers
Bobe everyone was against interracial marriage, whites, blacks, spanish, liberals, conservatives, you name it and it was so. Ask your parents they should remember and by the way the word you were looking for is “now” not “know”. But do know that
Jesus Love You BobE….
The founding Fathers did not build this nation. They set things in order with the “Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and The Declaration of Independence.” They made the ultimate sacrifices by the pouring out of their blood, to ensure that fututre generations would be able to live in a free self governing society. Yes, we’ve all bathed in blood to some degree only to have our efforts, our yearnings to be totaly free hampered by those who choose to keep the fires of hatred burning. By those who refuse to learn the principles of brotherly love. I’m willing to bet you didn’t have many friends as a child did you? And you probably weren’t well liked either.
Only selfish people talk as you do. They are those who are unwilling to share because they think everything they want belongs to them. What good have you ever done for this nation. All take and no giv fits you well. Please grow up, life has so much to offer.
As I said before, “For a man to be truly free, he must first know what he is freed from, otherwise he will remain a prisoner in his mind.” These protesers are still lost in time, wandering around in a free society and yet know nothing of how to appreciate it because they simply do not understand what it is to be free. But I would like to ask Al Sharton, Jessie Jackson, Farakan, and the NAACP, what have they done to deter teenage pregnacy, illiteracy, what encouragment groups have they formed that would instill family values into the minds of young Black children? What speeches have they given to encourage them to get an education before starting a family? I would also like to ask O these questions since he says if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon. How easy it is for them to raise hell when race is the issue, but stand in the dark when preventive measures could very well have been taken if the right attitude had been present.
LarryChambers : Well said Chambers. Your folks could use some of your attitude.
I appreciate your compliment, but, only those who truly love the American Flag are my folks. To whom are you referring as being, “my folks?” I won’t lie and say I don’t understand what you’re portraying by the tail end of your comment. You may not realize it, but it has a very bad odor.
LarryChambers If you sincerely do not understand what he means by “my folks” let me explain it to you. He means N*GGERS!!!
LarryChambers Amen Larry,
I admit to being a child of God and a citizen of the Universe. I have lived in Russia as a Fulbright Scholar, the Principal of two schools in India -and what I have learned in my 72 years, is that the majority of ordinary citizens are people have the same hopes and dreams for their children, and the same concerns about economy and education. In my opinion, understanding and respecting differences is the key. we put our heads in the sand when we say we don’t see differences. In my diversity classes, I tell my students to not be “color blind” but to learn from each other. We may not agree with others, but the right to agree to disagree is what my Revolutionary ancestors fought so hard to give us freedoms and abilities for all. People can do anything, if they work hard and believe in themselves.
I totaly agree; working together works. Your words are adorned with beauty and truth. I would love to have been your student.
LarryChambers I thank you for your kind words Larry. Actually, although I hold the title Professor Emerita, I am still teaching full time on line.
LarryChambers Larry, I just want to thank you for getting at the heart of the problem in many communities. You nailed everyone of the non do’ers. Unfortunately for the black communities these influencial people take and do nothing in return. I believe, is a powerful statement but it goes no where when the leadership lets everyone down, accuses whitey for everything and does nothing for their own communities.
Larry, What you have said couldn’t be any more true if they gold plated it. When will people wake up to just who profits from the racial tension. Our governmental leaders would be lost if it was shown that we all get along. Very few truly look at what is being taught to all of our children today when in fact our children are being dumbed down to become complaisant to a tyrannical run leadership within our country. When We The People take back control of our schools, our government and our legal system to run them in the way they were meant to be we’ll never truly move ahead.
LarryChambers Thank you for your educated & reasonable response. the US Constitution guarantees justice for ALL, but a diverse society has, through PC, succumbed to “hate all those who your relatives hate”, & produced bigotry & prejudice intolerance for political, economic and social gain. Does anyone care about the other races that built this country?
Thank you kindly!! I’m still waiting to meet those who chose what race they wanted to be before they were born. Hatred blinds us from appreciating what God has given us. Because of it, we miss out on the beauty of life and what we can learn from each other. Every race on the face of the earth has made some kind of contribution to humanity. But because of pride and arrogance man fails to recognize them. Just think, there may well have been many cures for the things that ail us. But because of racial hatred they were denied access into our lives thus leaving us to continue to suffer as a result. Our nation is a run away train on a collision course with the side of a mountain. Only God has the power to stop it.
LarryChambers
Larry, racism and hatred are not genetic but mirrors into the ‘family’ – (1) the family in which we are born into and our personal choice to join with those espousing either or neither; (2) the experiences of the individuals and their choice to join with those espousing either or neither; and (3) our personal choice to listen to and act on those who espouse race-hating and race-baiting. God has made each of us stewards of this planet; stewards of each other. It was not God who placed “Am I my brother’s keeper?” in the mouth of a brother-killer. Until each one of the God-followers mouth GOD’S word: ‘I am my brother’s keeper!” they will be at the throttle of that run-away train rather than having their strong arm putting on the brakes of that train. And few have the wisdom to understand they are on that train and will reap what they sow. That, too, is a word from God.
To all of you comenters who read or worse yet respond to “BobE”, don’t waste your time… He and his ilk will be dealt with by as defined in Psalm 37. Please read it as it says it all. But I still pray for the un-believers…
Oldguy Fill your head with more nonsense old man
BobE
Now that was an intelligent comment………….not.
Oldguy I totally agree…it is a waste of time to discuss any of this with an ignorant liberal like BobE who obviously does not have the intelligence or common sense to understand what you are sayng. He tries to make himself relevant with his foolish comments. I urge you to ignore him…He does not realize that God will judge him
Is America racist or is America fundamentally divided between a conservative perspective on the importance and inviolability of the law and a liberal perspective on the manipulation and obviation of the law, especially when situations indicate that it is politically expedient to override principle in favor of some “civil” or “human” right?
There is no equal justice unless all are subject to the same laws and the law is applied equally to all. This is the essential argument and objection to the proposed amnesty bill regarding illegal aliens and immigration.
The law is good for citizens. As a country, we were constituted by citizens for citizens. The obligation is to represent the citizens of the country. Otherwise, there is no sense to the concept of “country.”
Representatives need to keep this in mind when the consider the “securing of the blessings of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for ourselves and our posterity.” It says absolutely nothing about the foreignors of the world who have come and started subcultures which refuse to adapt or assimilate into American society and who are responsible for the insecurities which result from their failure or refusal to do so.
As the facts come out, we discover how alienated young people are and how hopeless they become in turning to life styles which frequently transgress the law and involve flirting with addictions and problems which result from illegal activities. Eventually these things catch up with them, one way or another.
JBEACH Do you believe that our justice system treats white & black males equally?
BobE
In many cases I think our justice system is too lenient and lets blacks off whereas they do not whites.
BobE JBEACH what I believe makes no difference. According to reports I have read, there is a disproportionately large amount of crime in the black community. If poverty is the reason, is the greatest amount of white crime among the poor of the nation as opposed to other economic statuses? Or, are addiction and poverty the reasons for a lot of this crime, regardless of race?
Jesus said, “The poor you have always with you.” That is true. It does not solve the problem. If all the rich sold “all they have and gave to the poor,” would it solve the problem? Would redistribution solve the problem? Probably not. We know this from the extent to which government programs aimed at the poor have not solved the problem. You can’t have federally-funded education and, at the same time, have the conflicting immigration, migrant-worker programs, job outsourcing to foreign countries, punitive taxation which drives businesses overseas and free-trade agreements which have caused the loss of a manufacturing base in the U.S. and hope to satisfy the need for jobs within the country. They are playing both sides against the middle and it is not working.
JBEACH , Did you not hear what Racheal Jeantel said on this subject when she appeared on T.V. with Piers Morgan?
In Her quaint speech “The old generation, the trial, that ther thing. The law, that der thing.
We’s the new generation. we do away with the old generation.
Dis she answer your question?
chamuiel JBEACH Apparently, her level of education is sufficient to get her a moment in the limelight resulting from a now, world-famous trial. Until the new generation realizes that the law is always a “thing,” (because, without it, there would be no justice and very little order in society, with the “old generation” victimized by the “new generation” by sheer power of strength and numbers), and learns the importance and reward of obeying it, the punishment of sacrifice in their ranks will continue. If this trial demonstrated anything, it emphasized the consequences of crime and the suspicion that is associated with it. That is the lesson, not whether a person can perpetrate a crime, because they are of one race or another, and successfully “get away” with it.
If the idea of fundamental change is that “the laws of the older generation are invalid,”
quit complaining about the violations of the Ten Commandments and simply enjoy the mayhem and the funerals that result.
JBEACH chamuiel ,
I am locked and loaded.
We’re NOT at all racist or bigoted, just a whole helluva lot smarter than you ugly idiot libturd garbage bags!! WE only hate ni666ers (NOT blacks), illegal messicans and a-rab mu-slimes!!
NONE of them belongs in OUR country!!
As long as black males (7% of the population) do 75% of the crime it always will be. Only the black man can change that.
Maranatha_Mark–The boy in question (the 13 year-old son of Cheryl Brown) is reported in several sites to have been walking his dog when he “came upon” a man lying in the grass, “crying for help”. The dog reportedly escaped at that point & the boy ran off after it, shortly before the fatal final fight. His mother reports that he feels very guilty, because he believes that things might have turned out differently had he not gone after the dog. She also reported that police tried to get him to modify his testimony to weaken any claim of self-defense on Zimmerman’s part. “Coming upon” someone lying in the grass is a far cry from witnessing someone punching someone in the face.
kmilliorn Why wan’t this brought out in the trial? Was the Prosecution stupid?
chamuiel–I’m not sure why the prosecution didn’t use him. The mom told the nes interviewers that the prosecution delayed interviewing her son, then tried to put words in his mouth to bolster its case against the defens e’s claim of self-defense. (She was interviewed by abc & it was also reported on the msnbc website). The prosecution also wanted to coach him on how identify the man lying on the ground. Nowhere in the interviews does it mention anything about his seeing anyone throwing punches. (Unlike the repeated claims of Maranatha Mark, who says the Brown boy SAW Martin punch Zimmerman).
kmilliorn , Well the Prosecution and the Judge were willing to suppress evidence in the case, so I would also have to think they were willing to manufacture evidence to fit their agenda.
Ultimately though, rational, normal, law-abiding citizens just don’t go attacking people on the streets.
Everyone sees the world through their individual prisims. Your prisim does not allow you to see that Trayvon had a chance to keep going “retreat” but in that four minute span in which he disappeared he crept back to attack Zimmerman, because as his girlfriend just said they, (he & she) thought he was a gay person “cracka” following Trayvon, so Trayvon beat up the perceived gay guy. She told Trayvon to run because the Cracka was a gay guy using his badge to rape men. But Trayvon did not run away. Cracka (not cracker) being slang for a guy with a badge. If Trayvon had gone home in that 4 minutes available to him, or if he had just decided to leave the perceived gay guy alone, he would be alive today.
This prejudiced report, is showing Trayvon Martin as a
little 12 or 13 year old boy.Where the
hell are the real pictures of the punk?You’re
taking the side of his self-riotous mother and father.They both scored big with their big money
extortion (to me) settlement.All for a
teen age punk that got what he had coming thinking he was a bad ass.I don’t care if you’re black, white, brown,
red or yellow, if you straddle me and hit me once, I’ll blow your ass
away.Come on, get real.How dare you with your prejudiced report, put
my family or me in danger making me think twice may get me or other law abiding
people killed because of a PUNK.The
young man was a trouble maker, in and out of school, thrown out of the house,
battering a bus driver, self-proclaimed marijuana smoking “Pot Head”
and posing with guns claiming to be a bad ass ni66er in his own words.Those of you that never fought much or are
unable to defend yourselves or your family without some sort of weapon should be
ecstatic with the Zimmerman verdict.This article is prejudiced to Zimmerman and the writer doesn’t even have
a clue as to violence.The first wrong
thing was “Bad Ass ni66er hitting a cracker”.HE CAUSED HIS OWN DEATH, remember that all
you bad ass punks with your video games, the world has LIVE REAL people that
will defend themselves and blow away your poor sorry asses.
Bushmaster0369 He was a kid that just turned 17 & wasn’t breaking any law. What’s an outrage to me is than an armed adult can cause a confrontation with a minor (that’s just walking home) which ends up with the kid getting shot & it’s considered “self defense”.
Bobe, I would agree with you if the event was as you described, but that is such a misrepresentation that I hope you are being honest but tragically misinformed. Did you intentionally leave out the part that Trayvon disappeared for 4 minutes and could easily have gone home, but circled back to attack Zimmerman ( and now it is coming out it was because he thought Zimmerman was gay)? There was never any evidence that Zimmerman stopped Trayvon, or threw the first punch. Trayvon had no right to hit him. Hitting someone is serious. A lawyer (down on Beale Street) hit a man one time and killed him.
Begneli , We cannot reason with BobE,
he knows he is right. His mind tells him he is right.
Many of us have been discussing this for months.
BobE just recently came to the Trayvon./ Zimerman thing, and all he has is to repeat the lies that has been told by the Trayvon supporters for the last two months.
Begneli We only have Zimmerman;s side of the story. But what seems clear is this. Zimmerman had been training in martial arts & had armed himself as a “neighborhood watchman” which he took seriously apparently calling 911 every time he seen a black person. He spots Martin walking down the street that’s black so Zimmerman assumes he’s a “suspect” & calls 911 & is told NOT to pursue. He continues his pursuit as Martin try’s “slip away” He catches up with Martin which leads to a confrontation (which we don’t know the details of) ending up with Zimmerman shooting an unarmed minor that was minding his own business until Zimmerman set off the chain of events in motion,
BobE Begneli , Martial arts, another lie.
At the Trial It was brought out that Zimmerman belonged to a Gym. The owner of the Gym testified and said that Zimmerman was interested in Boxing, but that he limited Zimmerman to shadow boxing. He also said that he never put Zimmerman in the ring with anyone, not even as a sparring partner.
When asked why, he said he was afraid that Zimmerman would get hurt.
He also went on and said that Zimmerman did not work at staying in shape and was flabby.
This was testified to at the trial, no one said Zimmerman was studying martial arts.
If this was true, why was it not bruoght out at the trial?
BobE do you know anything about the trial, or do you just keep repeating crap lies you have heard?
No one said Zimmerman called 911 everytime he saw a black person, He had called the Police (the night he called on Trayvon was to the non 911 Police Number) several times on spotting suspicious people in the neighborhood.
That is what you are supposed to do if you are a member of a neighborhood watch.
Every thing in your above post is B.S., and lies.
chamuiel BobE Begneli Zimmerman didn’t work at staying in shape?? He looked like he was in good shape to me… All 300 pounds of him!
BobE chamuiel Begneli
I thought earlier you said he was fat.
Make up your mind.
He weighed 170 at the time of the fight.
He gained weight after he was put under the stress of having to go through an unnesary trial.
This has been explained to you before BobE.
BobE, you think you are an intelligent person. Prove it.
Don’t go by what I say. Read the transcript of the trial.
chamuiel BobE Begneli 5’8″ & 300 lbs is fat!
Bushmaster0369 Lesson learned…Next time you walk up and punch someone in the face…It could be your last day on earth if your victim has a gun!
oldgringo Bushmaster0369 , That is why I would also suggest these young black punks think twice before deciding to grab Granny’s purse. It might be the last thing they grab.
oldgringo Bushmaster0369 Explain your logic to me. I chase a minor down the street & confront him, he throws a punch at me & I shoot him then claim self defense? I don’t get it
BobE oldgringo Bushmaster0369 , No one chased anyone down the street.
Zimmerman noticed a suspicious character in a gated community where several burglaries had taken place. He observed the person going between buildings and peering in peoples windows.
That seems pretty suspicious to me.
chamuiel BobE oldgringo Bushmaster0369 Zimmerman caused this incident when he started following Martin for no other reason than he was black.
BobE chamuiel oldgringo Bushmaster0369 ,
Bobe the trial is over, if you disagree with it, you live in Krazy Kaslifornia, go to Oakand and pee pee on a Police car if it will make you feel any better that no one bought yours and the other militant blacks lies.
Actulaay, you can do it in L.A. if it is closer.
chamuiel BobE oldgringo Bushmaster0369 Malibu is in LA
BobE chamuiel oldgringo Bushmaster0369
Thats nice, but I really did not need to know that.
BobE oldgringo Bushmaster0369 ,
BobE, so, go pee pee on a Police car in Malibu.
To Bobe, I agree, Zim ran up behind Tray, spun him around, checked his ID to be sure he was a minor, and then hit Tray in the fist with his nose, then grabbed Tray and fell backwards pulling him down on top of Zim. The witness, Goode, saw Zim on the bottom hitting Tray in the fists with the front of his head and hitting the concrete walk with the back of his head. I don’t know why those 6 women could not see that from the evidence.
Begneli , I bet BobE loved that.
BobE chamuiel oldgringo Bushmaster0369 Your comment is defeated by the FACTS in the case.
The only true Racist within our country are the money grubbing leaders in the Black community and government ready to exploit their own race for monetary gains of their own. The News media is equally guilty of promoting issues to mislead the public of false racial tension for capitol gains. The very last thing these Bloodsucking pig’s want is for the Black community to ever wake up to their racial games for profit schemes.
Richard Vandervort Not to forget most liberal news publications like the Denver “Commie” Post and or “Time Magazine” are the propaganda machinery for the Democratic Party!
And most of us prefer to give to those we feel are in true need not some government feel good skeem.
I give $1 to some one and they get the whole thing
I give $ to my church and I know exactly where it is going
I give $ to other charitable groups here I know or can find out where it is
give it to the government and most of that $ is used to pay government workers
Tygerpaw25–I hate to burst your bubble, but only about 13-14% of the Federal budget goes to employee salaries. “Entitlement” programs take the largest part of the budget, by far.
tygerpaw25 Point well taken!
tygerpaw2572% of every dollar taken from the taxpayers for ‘welfare’ programs in the 1980’s was sucked up and siphoned off in expenses that never made it to the people that needed the money.
Grace Commission Report, Reagan era.
http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm
Equal men aren’t free and free men aren’t equal. Equalize the Laws and the Black Man goes back to the bottom. That’s the reality which no one can deal with. To do high level work in Business or the Profession, an IQ over 120 is needed. There are few Blacks who have this. To put so many in college with affirmative action just means the death of our Academic System.
lughon1 Are you Rand Paul’s campaign manager?
BobE ,
Are you Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown’s manager?
BobE lughon1 Are you a bigot?
lughon1 , I believe that it is Virginia that has introduced minimum test pasting scores for different races and special Ed pupils., Asians 81, Whites 73, Hispanics 55, Blacks 45 and special ed students 35. These are the minimum grades that can be made on a test,to pass and to graduate.
The blacks 45 is close to the special ed students 35.
This the common core curriculum which many Schools are trying to get away from as it also teaches Social Justice, being gay is o.k. and other such things.
chamuiel lughon1 Did the tea party get double digits?
BobE chamuiel lughon1 No…But you top the list!
BobE chamuiel lughon1
The tea party does not leave trash after a march as do the ows people you prefer. Nor are the violent as the occupy groups are and they do not rape and defecate on Police cars as the occupy groups do.
Haven’t you made it over to Oakland yet?
chamuiel BobE lughon1 No Oakland jokes. I’m a Raider fan!
It has been shown in numerous polls that Tea Party people are better educated, and better off financially than your average lo info Democrat voter. Does that answer your question?
Some of these Polls were done by obviously liberal Polling companies.
chamuiel Taken by the same fox news pollsters that said Mittens would beat Obama in a landslide!
BobE chamuiel
Some of the Polls were by Bloomberg and the AP, I doubt they are conservative.
Also CNN did one.
chamuiel Who would doubt it? Everyone knows that the smartest people in the country are the hillbilly’s & red necks living in those red states like Mississippi, Alabama & Georgia
BobE
And what does that have to do with the subject? If you do not believe me, look up the polls they are on the internet.
chamuiel BobE Is it even possible that you could be so stupid that you would think that I might believe anything you say?
BobE
You poor thing. I pity you, and that was not an Oakland joke.
Are you also black? Is this why you are defending the thug, Trayvon.?
BobE
Then look them up.
Actually BobE the grades posted above is just more quotas, and special allowances for blacks, you know affirmative action..
Don’t believe me. Look it up.
BobE chamuiel and you dare accuse others of prejudice? For shame!!
BobE
It is interesting that you would mention Mississippi in particular.
you do understand that Mississippi is mostly black, don’t you?
You are putting down the very people you profess to love. Same for Geogia, and Alabama.
I guess when the truth comes ot, you really do not like Black people.
Thanks for playing.
BobE chamuiel lughon1 I thought you were a Barney Frank fan.
America is not racist. Well the black half is. They prove it each and every day. They are so racist they kill their own just to sate their lust for murder and the spilling of someones’ blood. The main communist stream media is a pile of dung that the idiot liberals worship as their God. Idiot blacks and worthless communist liberals are a cancer on the world and must be elminated from human kind for the betterment of all.
richars holmes Ron Paul, is that You?
richars holmes , As a nation we were getting away from the racism in America, at least until obama was elected, and started dividing the country, and then the blacks blew up over the Zimmerman verdict.
chamuiel richars holmes
It is incredible that you could be this stupid & naïve with so much evidence under your nose.
Black racism & violence is in epidemic proportions. Before you open your ignorant mouth try RESEARCHING & having some FACTS to back your argument.
Go to WND . com & search black violence, then apologize for being so stupid, pull your head out of your a s s & grow up!
It is not true that not taking the stand is any indication of guilt or of innocence. Follow attorney advice – he is his own attorney has a fool for a client.
Begneli Ask ANY defense lawyer on the planet & they will tell you different. Had Zimmerman taken the stand in his own defense his story would have fallen apart & he’d be in jail. Zimmerman knew it as did his lawyer.
BobE, i thought you said you accepted the Zimmerman jury verdict.
If you did, why are you still arguing?
Ok I will ask the two on the planet that advised Zimmerman.
The only time a Defense lawyer would recomend that a defendent take the stand would be if they thought it was necessauy, and if they felt it would help the defendents case.
Exactly right. Don’t hire Bobe . Zim was ahead on the evidence – stand pat when you have a royal straight flush.
Begneli One thing you’ll NEVER see is a lawyer putting a guilty person on the stand,
BobE
So, you are finally being honest and telling us what you would do.
BobE Begneli
Crawl back to the KOS, race baiting, brain dead, leftist troll, where your pointless drivel is appreciated.
BobE Begneli And the second thing you’ll NEVER see is a lawyer putting a defendant on the stand, when the prosecution has no case.
Chamuiel–I don’t know why people keep repeating the 6’2″ figure for Martin’s height. The autopsy & other sources clearly list his height as 71″ or 5″11″. Repeating one inaccuracy puts your other statements into question.
kmilliorn ,
i am so tired of having to repeat this. Accordingf to his own parents he was 6’3″ tall, according to his last School, he was 6’2″ tall.
There is a difference in your height when you are alive and when you are dead. It is more difficult to measure someone’s height when they are laying down than when they are standing up. What difference does it matter to the Coroner if he was off 3-4 inches. He is not going to lose his job over it.
Now, who are you going to believe, the Coroner, or his parents, and what difference does it make considering he attacked Zimmermanb?
This was brought out at the trial. Do try and keep up.
Look up the picture released yesterday that shows him towering over the clerk at the convenience store. You will get an ideal of just how tall he was.
kmilliorn Is their any question that everything he says is a lie?
BobE kmilliorn
Bobe read the transcript of the trial, then point out where I am lying.
Maranatha_Mark–You have NO CLUE what I want! Mainly, I want people to get off their soap boxes & admit that we will never have all the facts in this case. The jury verdict was correct: the prosecution failed to prove Zimmerman guilty & the defense did not prove him innocent–there was reasonable doubt. We ALL need to move on. Particularly, the Sharpton/Jackson/King crew need to stop whipping up the furor of “Justice for Trayvon”. They have no other purpose in life than to push an agenda & have co-opted this tragedy, not for the sake of justice, but for their own purposes.
(BTW:As a doc, I know that your height does NOT change significantly when you are supine or newly dead. It is the Medical Examiner’s job to be precise, so a correct measurement–not “off 3 or 4 inches”–DOES matter. The autopsy report is an important medical legal document. Everyone has made a big deal out of Martin’s height as if he towered over Zimmerman–he didn’t. His “towering over the clerk” only means that the clerk was a lot shorter. Show me a photo of him next to the door with the height markings & I’ll believe it.
kmilliorn , Well shoot I guess the clerk was 4’10”
kmilliorn Part of the problem is the stand your ground law. Zimmerman would be doing life if he’d done the exact same thing in another state.
BobE–Had the “Stand Your Ground” law been applied in this case, there would have been no trial. I would not discount his getting off in another state, in view of that. He was found not guilty because the jury found there was reasonable doubt about his being guilty.
BobE kmilliorn
Crawl back to the KOS, brain dead, race baiting, leftist troll, where your drivel is appreciated.
kmilliorn
You as a Doc.
Hmm! you did not say what kind of a Doc you are.
what Doctor simply refers to themselves as Doc?
Let me say this.
The Sandford Police Chief who agreed with the Police officers who originally talked to Zimmerman found no evidence to hold him. That Police Chief was fired.
Next, Governor Rick Scott of Florida, under political pressure from Federal sources and the Race baiters Jackson, and Shapeton, aided by the community relations employees of the Holder justice department were sent into Sandford to organize and coordinate the protests.,
Governor Scott appointed Angela Corey, a Florida assistant district attorney to prosecute Zimmerman. Angela appointed two other assistant district attornies, one a close friend of hers to prosecute Zimmerman in a show trial.
Now Angela Corey is under investigation by the F.B.I.
My point is this whole farce of a trial has been politically and racially motivated from day one.
Are you going to tell me that a small town coroner could not have been caught up in the politics, and hatred and fudged Trayvon Martins height by cutting three inches off?
I know, you think Doctors are the most honest people in the world.
I disagree with you.
You want proof, look at Hermit Gossnel. Just one example.
Doctors lose their medical licenses every day due to unethical practices.
Trayvon’s parents say Trayvon was 6’3′. The School say he was 6’2″. and th coroner says he was 5’11’ tall.
If I had to pick one, I would pick the School. Afterall they have measured thousands of people heights, way more than any small town coroner ever could.
There have been many mistakes made by the Sandford Police department (allowing the entire Trayvon Martin family and Racheal Jeantel) into the same room all at the same time to hear the 911 call tape.
Of course they were unanimous in delclaring that the voice screaming for help on that tape was Trayvon’s voice. How could they not be?This was done under the new Police Chief who just happens to be black.
If the entire trial has been a total fabrication, you are going to set there and try telling me that a small town coroner could not hve been influenced by all the politic, racism, s and pressure being brought in this trial and could not have made a mistake of 3-4″
Really, Doc?
chamuiel–As a retired surgeon with 26 years experience (including lots of GSW’s), I can call myself whatever I want & “doc” is easy to type.
There was NO “coroner”–The autopsy was done by an associate state Medical Examiner in Daytona Beach. Old style coroners didn’t even have to be “physicians” & were notoriously inaccurate. Medical Examiners are MD’s who do postgraduate residencies of at least 3 years after med school. That’s a big difference.
So–NO coroner & NOT in Sanford, therefore not motivated to falsify results
HOWEVER! I TOTALLY AGREE with your “whole point”! Had not outside forces interfered (Sharpton, Jackson, the NAACP, the DOJ & its paid demonstrators), & had pressure not been brought to bear on prosecutors (including to bypass the Grand Jury, which would have probably have “no-billed” the case), this case would never have been brought to either trial or national attention.
kmilliorn LOL! Based on your post, it seems obvious what you want. You argue about things that were not reported that way, evidence don’t support, nor had testimony entered to the effect. No soap boxes, just tired of seeing the injustice… the injustice of man & his family having their lives ruined because the politicians insisted that this case, which the police correctly assessed as a case of justified self-defense at the time of the event, forced this case to be tried. The injustice of the liberal/progressive media and celebrities, that picked up on the case, because the lighter skinned man had a name that would indicate he was white, when actually he was Hispanic, and made slanderous statements and altered the facts to support racism, to try and get the black community to riot and up in arms to essentially start a race war! Why, because their messiah was in trouble with Benghazi and a couple other scandals and they needed something to divert the people’s attention and further divide them. So the administration, when they couldn’t get local prosecutors to try a case that was unwinnable, sent in their ‘Store-bought” mobs paid for by taxpayers’ moneys, and sent in a political hack special prosecutor to bring charges that were obviously unwarranted! They didn’t care about destroy Zimmerman’s life or his family’s lives, or for that matter, the neighbor’s lives, Obama wanted his circus, and got it. Have you asked yourself, how many millions of dollars all this cost tax-payers? Race was never a part of it, until the Progressive Media and Obama’s minions and Eric ‘the racist’ Holder got involved. All that said, it is terrible that Trayvon had to die in such a manner, but based on what evidence we have and a testimony of the man attacked and one other witness, close enough to get a good look at what was going on, Trayvon brought this on himself…. his temper and blood lust (based on his history of violence) caught up with him. If this isn’t soapbox worthy then what is? Wait, it doesn’t matter what you think is, I still, for a little while longer have the right express my views, until Obama succeeds in completely throwing out the Bill of Rights. And if you are a “doc”, I truly feel for your patients!
Absolutely!!! I’m in full agreement with you. Thank you for your truthful comment.
Thanks Larry. I truly hate that Trayvon died, a wasted life, is a wasted life, regardless of color. The young man was making a lot of bad choices according to what we have seen, and of course he made the worst of the lot when he chose to attack Zimmerman, instead of going home or merely calling 911 and reporting he was being followed. Racism is still very prominent in this country, mainly at the behest of the current Administration and so-called “Civil Rights” leaders and community organizers. They preach about equality but equality is the last thing they want, because it allows them to wield power by fanning the flames of racial intolerance, and there is BIG money in “Civil Rights” activism – ask Jesse and Al about their 7 figure incomes. Racism will continue to be a self-perpetuating attitude, as long as it is tolerated from anyone. I shook my head when I heard Jeantel on Piers Morgan trying to justify the obviously racial slurs Trayvon had utter to her that night, as being race neutral! And then CNN acting like it was new revelations! I hope no whites (or “White Hispanics) try to use the term “N i @ @ a” in public, and think that they will not be attack by the nearest black person for saying it. The dropping of the “er” on the end of that word and replacing it with a lazy ‘a’, does not change the meaning of the word for anyone but a stoner/burnout like Jeantel. I don’t think she was lying, but I think she has smoked so much dope and was probably high when she was being interview, that she really didn’t have a clue about what she was saying. Using the N word in any form is racist, even when used by a black, just as when a white person says “Cracka”, “Cracker” or “Redneck” is still racial when they say it, and still just as distasteful. When you drop race from the case, which was never there, for if Trayvon had been white or Hispanic and done the same thing, he would still be just as dead. The only difference is Obama, Holder, Jackson and Sharpton wouldn’t give a darn! The fact is they don’t care about life in general, or they would be scream bloody murder about the gang murders and the dozens of blacks killed by other blacks every weekend in big cities like Chicago, Washington D.C., etc. Where is the justified outrage about these murders?!! That is the what truly breaks my heart, is that folk are so easily duped into doing the bidding of Washington and the media’s will, and so easily fooled to where they ignore the real crisis going on!
Maranatha_Mark–Well said.
Maranatha_Mark
I agree with what you have said and I must say, very well said. But I must point out that the younger generation of today does use the term “ni@@a” in a non-demeaning way almost as a term of endearment. And not just blacks but whites, spanish, oriental etc. and I know because I use to fight with my kids and nephews all the time about. Never liked liked it and still don’t but that’s part of their vocabulary, like bad is good and so on.
kmilliorn
Zimmerman is short, Martin was TALL. lean & athletic.
thismustend–Read the autopsy report, done by a Florida state Medical Examiner–Martin was 5’11”–only 3 inches taller than Zimmerman..
kmilliorn At this point, what difference does it make? Besides, Mama used to say, “An inch is as good as a mile”.
Nonhuman–You couldn’t be more right–At this point it makes little difference ( especially to Martin). However, several here are using false data to support their arguments–saying that Martin was a lot taller, so he had an advantage, etc.
At this point everyone–particularly Sharpton, et al–need to lay this case to rest, but Sharpton & Co won’t, because without racial controversy, they have no jobs. Why the rest of us are at it–I guess we just love to argue! (I just hate to see people argue with wrong “facts”–or worse, no facts at all.
Jonhu–Yikes! The evil spelling checker sabotaged me! I just now saw that it mangled your name to “Nonhuman”! No intent! Too bizarre! So sorry! (But also sort of funny–hope you have a sense of humor, too!)
kmilliorn According the convenient store surveillance camera photo of Trayvon, with his hoody up, he would appear to be 2 to 3 inches taller. Since it was raining, and based on the call to the police dispatcher, we know he had his hood on, 3 inches difference in height can appear pretty significant, but add the hoody on his head and you now have right at 6″ in height difference. Was Trayvon wearing the hood from his hoody or not at the time of the face to face? The photo MSNBC released that was supposed to be Trayvon dead on the grass, and I assume it was, didn’t appear to be wearing his hood from the hoody, but it could have come off during the fight. Again without Trayvon standing next to Zimmerman, the height difference wouldn’t be easily comprehended. But in all honesty, the height difference, makes no difference, for if Trayvon had been 5′ and had broken Zimmerman’s nose with the first punch and then dove on top of him and started bashing his head and pounding his face, Zimmerman would still have a right to defend his life with deadly force. Again, what many forget, there was an active fight going on, Trayvon throwing punches while sitting on top of Zimmerman, and George merely pulled his firearm and pointed in the general direction of Trayvon and pulled the trigger! Testimony by one of the officers on the scene said Zimmerman seem to be surprise to see Martin laying dead on the grass, when he finally saw him. If that is true, it would also support the self-defense scenario. You keep saying reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed 2nd Degree Murder, but how about the over-whelming evidence that he merely defended his life (or protected himself from severe bodily harm), by the only means he had available – his gun. Had Mr. Goode or any other neighbors had any thing that resembles a spin, they would have ran out and offered help and both men would be alive today as well. But most people are cowardly and just don’t want to get involved, to the point of allowing a neighbor to die or be crippled!
Maranatha_Mark–You have hit on a couple of really important points! WHY didn’t Goode or anyone else try to pull Martin off Zimmerman or even just shout at him to deflect his attention–intervene in SOME way? You’re probably right–too afraid to “get involved”! I do not have any argument with your contention of self-defense–only with people who argue as it they know all the facts & the exact sequence of events from beginning to end, when no one but Zimmerman (who DOES make a compelling witness on the Youtube walk-through with police & never wavers in his testimony) can tell his side of the story. Yes, by the time the fight was on the ground, it was self-defense–no question. The reason people are continuing to fight over this is the issue of WHOSE actions put them on that patch of ground. Zimmerman says it was Martin (WHO on trial for murder would not say that the other guy started it?), but there are just as many who believe that Zimmerman started the fight.
The confounding factors are the “activists”, who live for a case like this to exploit for their own agenda. Martin’s death means nothing to them but an opportunity & the damage they are doing to our society (despite their being self-proclaimed Reverends) is going to be incalculable.
kmilliorn 3″
So was zimmerman 5’7″, or 5’8′ or 5’9″ tall?
Take your pick.
chamuiel–the variation in stats is interesting. The law enforcement heights recorded 2/26 & 3/11 show him at 5’7″ & 5’8″. What I find more interesting is that some people claim that he gained 100# . His initial weight was 185# on 2/26 & it was up to 200# on 3/11. Maybe he’s a nervous eater? That’s not a 100# weight gain, however. There have been more rumors & “interesting” bits of “information” that appear from unvented sources in this case.
kmilliorn I have found a picture of Trayvon that was taken with his family 9 days before his death. It was his mothers birthday.
The picture shows Trayvon towering over everyone in the picture including his older brother and the other men in his family.
There is no way this kid was 5’11” tall.
chamuiel–You can believe what you want. The Medical Examiner basically functions as an officer of the court & has a fiduciary duty to get things right. If that’s not good enough for you, nothing is. Of course, ME’s also examine much older remains & the accuracy of their measurements may make the difference on whether those remains are correctly identified or not. It’s just part of the job.
In our family, one of our sons is a full 4″ taller than his dad & everyone else. Just because Msrtin was relatively taller than everyone else is no indicator of his true height. You know that.
kmilliorn ,
i am saying there has been an awful lot of lying in this case.
I can see no reason that they would not also lie about Trayvons height
Discipline vs. Punishment
God said, “Those whom I love I
rebuke and discipline.” Rev. 3:19
Nine-year-old Al had disobeyed his
father who, as a strict disciplinarian, sent him with a note to a police station
in London. When Al came in late after curfew, his father met him at the door and
handed him a note and said, “Take it to the jailhouse.”
Al was terrified.
“The officer, a friend of his father, opens the note, reads it, and
nods,. ‘Follow me.’ He leads the wide-eyed youngster to a jail cell, opens the
door, and tells him to enter. The officer clangs the door shut. ‘This is what we
do to naughty boys,’ he explains and walks away…. The jail sentence lasts only
five minutes. But those five minutes felt like five months. Al never forgot that
day. The sound of the clanging door, he often told people, stayed with him the
rest of his life.
“The fear of losing a father’s love exacts a high toll.
Al spent the rest of his life hearing the clanging door. That early taste of
terror contributed to his lifelong devotion to creating the same in others. For
Al—Alfred Hitchcock—made a career out of scaring
people.”
True, discipline is important, but it always needs
to fit the crime. Some children are impaired for life because of severe
punishment as a child. Others are left terrified if they were beaten severely or
abused. It is imperative that parents never discipline out of anger because that
is punishment, not discipline. Discipline always needs to be in love.
Those whom God loves, he disciplines in love—not punishes in anger. We
need to do the same with our children.
Last Resistance is sounding more and more radical everyday. America is not racial. so stop trying to push that down our throats.
You sound as bad as the Maui News, and that’s pretty bad.
DonJ
BLACK Americans absolutely ARE RACISTS, the VAST MAJORITY.
Sorry but I don'[t believe America in generally racist. There may be a few die hards but for the most part most Americans accept others, color or not. Our “new” Administration is certainly racist and promotes it in their own ways. Our President works at dividing people. The old divide and conquer routine. I’ve been paying attention for many, many years. As for myself, I take people based on how they are as people not what color they are. So do most Americans. It’s the few noisy ones that get the publicity and do the criminal routines like setting fires, looting stores, beating up others, etc. No decent person, no matter what color they are, want to be associated with these criminal types. Let’s cheer for all those good people out there that the media doesn’t give acknowledge nor give any credit for decent behaviour. .
Kathleen–Amen to that!
KathleenPedersen Kathleen, I share your belief and you state it very well!
sully64 KathleenPedersen thanks sully64. I feel frustrated with this administration but can’t do anything to help enough except to vote against them and I will is I live long enough. My parents taught me to love my country and I do and my children do also. God bless America and people like you who love it.
KathleenPedersen sully64 Don’t you get sick and tired of voting “against” something or someone? I know I do. And voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. When is the last time either organized crime party put up a candidate you actually wanted to vote for? Especially on the Republican side?
GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 ,
I am so sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils, that in 2016, I will no longer do it.
I have had many an argument with people who have voted third party, for a candidate that has no chance of winning. They did not want to vote for the lesser of two evils.
I have come to accept their viewpoint, no more leser of two evils.
chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64
Problem is the “non-votes” help the one who is most evil.
Republican evangelicals stayed away because they didn’t vote for the Mormon – that helped re-elect the Marxist.
chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 The only reason that “third party” candidates have “no chance of winning” is because everyone says “they have no chance of winning.” If everyone who said that voted 3rd party, 3rd party would win with an unprecedented land slide.
Always A Marine–You are so right–at least 42% of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2012. That could have swung the election the other way. Threethings need to happen to keep Hillary out of the White House: 1) the Republican Party needs to get back to being a POLITICAL party, instead of a RELIGIOUS institution. 2). Republicans need to get decent, non-polarizing primary candidates on up (no more idiots who talk about “legitimate rape, etc) & 3) the party HAS to take a cue from the Dems & build a grassroots campaign NOW & get those sleeping voters out.
kmilliorn remove religion from the Republican party, then you will lose every election for a long time.
remove religion from the Republican party, and you have just guaranteed that Hillary will be President in 2016.
Perhaps that is what you are working towards.
kmilliorn LOL! The GOP is so much like the DNC you need a program now, to know who is who. The GOP is hardly a “RELIGIOUS institution”, nor do they come close to it, but secular humanism is a “Religion” ever bit as much as Christianity and Islam. The reason the GOP lost the White House in 2012, is because 4 million ‘conservatives’ protested the RINO Romney. I love when Democrats act concerned about the GOP winning the next elections… telling them what the GOP needs to do to win, which is essentially, become DNC! If the GOP adopts all the same platform of the DNC, then why bother having 2 parties. The GOP is a heart beat away from going the way of the WIGS, as the Establishment/Progressive GOP wants to be democrats, and hate the Conservatives and/or the Tea Party politicians. The U.S. voters want a choice, not one party with 2 names. Unless the GOP returns to its conservative roots, a 3rd party will emerge and bring about the end of the GOP, while assuring the dominance of the DNC over the next 8 to 12 years. Essentially, the conservatives / constitutionalist folks that have been supporting the GOP are sick and tire of the “lesser of 2 evils” candidates, which has gotten us where we are today – a country on the verge of economic collapse/bankruptcy as well as tittering on the edge of a race war. There has been a real conservative in the White House since Reagan, and even Reagan wasn’t a true hard core conservative, but he did prove conservative principals will turn a failing economy around every time they are faithfully employed.
Maranatha_Mark–I have not been a Democrat since 1972! Haven’t been a Republican since 2008. Any political party that comes close to putting forward people like Sanytorum, Bachmann, Palin, , etc who wear their conservative religious views in their sleeves & has major religion-based planks like Right to Life & Defense of Marriage in its platform can hardly claim to be anything other than a religion-based party. The government needs to stop meddling in people’s lives & get its own house in order. Our current fiscal situation is sufficiently dire that the country may not survive another tag & spend liberal administration.–it may not even survive with a conservative one when the inflation hits that will be caused when overseas trade dollars start to flood back as more & more world trade turns away from using dollars.
GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 yes I do but voting seems to be the only way to get rid of the lesser evil and hopefully in time there will be some decent, honest candidates that are not thinking about themselves but are running because they love America and truth. sitting buy and doing nothing accomplishes nothing and keeps the status quo. one big shakeup is needed, how else should we do it? Any suggestions? Not so grumpy old lady:-)
kmilliorn
Sorry, but the right to life, and support of traditional marriage has a base of support far broader than any Christian coalition.
The philosophy supporting each has contributed to the strength of societies all over the world for centuries.
It is just common sense to protect society from destructive philosophies and practices.
kmilliorn
I’m sorry but protecting the right to life and defending traditional marriage are grounded in philosophies and practices that extend far beyond the interests of just religion.
Beyond religion is “self-preservation” and the realization (based on centuries of practice) that the preservation of life and the family has contributed to the health of societies around the world over time.
Protecting the lives of unborn babies and working toward strengthening our culture and protecting children in that culture can’t be considered “meddling” unless there’s an illegitimate (or simply novel, or cause of the moment) agenda.
kmilliorn LOL! You wouldn’t know it by your post here. Do you agree murder should be illegal? How about theft? These concepts come from the 10 Commandments from the Old Testament of the Bible… you know that old religious book. The Right-to-Life crowd merely understand that life begins a conception, not when then baby emerges from the womb, or by some Progressives’ accounts, at the age of self-awareness! Marriage is originally a “religious” ceremony, and traditionally between Only a MAN & WOMAN. It should stay that way, but that doesn’t fit in with the Homosexual agenda for special treatment, which is to force folks to accept them from a religious point of view, else the civil unions would be fine. Again, getting the Federal government out of folks lives is wonderful, which the DOMA laws essentially diminished the various legislative bodies from taking something that is religious by nature and forcing them to alter the beliefs. Bachman, Palin, and Santorum are all very fine conservative folks, but more than that, they don’t hide their beliefs. Our religious beliefs are a major part of who we are, and I want to see who folks are, cause it tells me how they will react to any given situation. Whether their Atheist, Christian or Wiccan, I want to know who they are and expect them to publicly demonstrate their beliefs – that doesn’t mean they have to force anyone else to belief what the believe, but rather show us who they are! Human Secularism is a belief system and essentially a religion as much as Christianity or Islam, so you can’t escape folks’ beliefs, and platforms that push anti-Christian planks are still pushing a set of beliefs, you labor under the delusion that since a “Supernatural” being is not involve that some how this doesn’t make it a religion. The Progressive movement is pushing to remove “God” from the public and replace it with government as being the “Highest Authority”, for by doing so know they will be able to more easily enslave citizens of this country. Everywhere tyranny aspires to take root the first thing they try to do is substitute beliefs in a “Supreme Being” with the Government being the final authority in all things, as well as disarm the citizens!
kmilliorn
My take differs from yours. Having been a republican (past tense) up to 66 years of age, there’s no way I can agree that it is a religious institution. (God would disavow knowing them).
As I see it, what is lacking are simple things – patriotism to help them identify with an agenda that would defend the Constitution and our rights.
Added to that: cojones to do what’s right.
Maranatha_Mark kmilliorn The “Democrat Lite” Party of Compromise did it again. Democrat definition of compromise: You give up your position, and I keep mine.” Democrat Lite definition: “We will surrender our principles, and allow you to keep yours. But you have to do something insignificant so we can save face.” Yep, them RINO’s really hold the line don’t they?
This time it was “OK. We won’t filibuster if you don’t take it away and we’ll give you your appointees to boot!” Gotta love the two party system!
GrumpyOldMan Maranatha_Mark kmilliorn ,,Actually what the Democrats said was we won’t get rid of fillibusters as long as you vote for theses appointees, even the ones with questionable morals, attitudes,actions, and thoughts.Lier Thomas Perez.
democrat lite (republicans) said o.k.
GrumpyOldMan Maranatha_Mark kmilliorn
I think you’ve about covered it Grumps
KathleenPedersen
You are wrong. Black Americans ARE RACIST, 97% of them, not just a noisy few. Black on white violence is becoming epidemic. Even the majority of supposedly conservative blacks voted for Obama, including Charles Payne from Fox News Business, even though most of his views are in direct opposition to Obama’s. He even admitted that the only reason he voted for him is because he is black, I add HALF black or now, white black. When you vote for someone based on RACE/COLOR of SKIN instead of on ideology that is the very essence of RACISM!
Go to WND . com & search black violence, then pull your head out of your a s s & grow up.
KathleenPedersen you nailed it, thanks.
KathleenPedersen ,
I do think a segment of America is racist, the Milliant Blacks, the race baiters, and the Whites who enable and encourage them are racist.
Well from what I can tell “Trayvon” PUNK MARTIN, was a dope smoking 17 year old kid who took on “The Old Man” making a real bad mistake. Now Martin is dead…..Yeah at least he cannot reproduce more dope smoking punks like himself, “A Drop of Chlorine In The Gene Pool.”
Eric “The Withholder” is now considering trying Zimmerman for racial hatred, so has ANYONE ever heard of
Double Jeopardy? You can’t try the man until Ya get it right and hang him for some offence, he was acquitted for once already.
Ask yourself what other story has had this kind of “National Attention,” and how many other kids, specifically Black kids who were murdered just last night…..SO where is their justice, where is there “National Media Attention”…..Answer ZERO, Nada, Nothing. So Zimmerman is NOW a “White Hispanic” and NOT just a “Mexican American” / Latino ??? WELL Excuse ME!!! So according to one of the prosecution’s attorneys “Star Witness” (What a Joke) So Zimmerman is a “Cracker” Something…Something….Well you get the picture I am sure. Ahhh Poor Baby, did Trayvon have a bad day??? I am GLADE he is dead, what’s more I am not sorry that he is. And for the “Reverend” the “Not So Al Sharpton” Screw him too.
Oh Ya the Color Issue…To F*N bad, I could care less about your skin color, once a Druggy Always a Druggie. As far as the Presidink sticking his nose into the everyday operations of American, he can shove it where the Sun Don’t shine.
Frank Zappa Do you remember when the NEW Black Panthers put out a bounty on Zimmerman? That is a Federal offence. Holder did not even blink an eye. I wrote one of my senators and his reply was the DOJ would look into it and take care of it. Ya , right! To add to your point, now Eric “The cantHOLDERhisownshit” is on it like S*** on a stick!
tygerpaw25 Frank Zappa
I was speaking to someone a few days ago about the Black Panthers piutting a bounty on Zimmerman’s head.
They told me I was lying, and there was no proof of that.
chamuiel tygerpaw25 Frank Zappa THhe way my senator reponded implied he knew of it. Also the web post had been documented but since removed. You could hold the proof right in front of them and they would still say you are lying. That or go off on something else. That is what I love about listening to Hanaty as he interviews libs.
tygerpaw25 Frank Zappa Seems like the DOJ has different standards for black and white people. Talk about racist-Eric Holder is at the top of the list! On the Blk Panther voter intimidation case, he actually said “I can’t prosecute my own people”. He should have been removed then.
Goodforall tygerpaw25 Frank Zappa Correct: Nobama, and With-holder should be held in contempt, for obstruction of justice, and incompetence. Holder is in his position NOT because he is qualified BUT because he is “Black.” Remember “Van Jones” the other clown Obozo appointed??? The final problem that we have STILL is that we have another 3 1/2 years of Obozo before we get rid of him. Highly likely he would NOT leave should he get the call for impeachment. IF Obozo leaves the office likely he will do worse to the “Black House” than Clinton did upon his departure…..That is “Chairman Clintong.” Still can’t stand this BA$T*RD after this many years out of the office.
Goodforall tygerpaw25 Frank Zappa ,
Why would obama remove someone he agrees with.
Frank Zappa Goodforall tygerpaw25 And God only knows what further destruction he will do to our Country!
tygerpaw25 Frank Zappa
Yes I do, and that said NO ONE held Holders feet to the fire, and NO ONE, prosecuted Holder….Reason he is an Ovomit appointee and he is Black, and he is (Supposedly) the “Top Cop” in the land….What a Joke…He could not be a “Top Dog” let alone a Bottom Dog….Hell he may even be a dog….Holder is DIRTY and he isn’t any better than the scum boss he works for, they are 2 peas in one pod. ALL OF THEM should be tried for treason.
Frank Zappa tygerpaw25 Absolutely correct! I can tink of a few more to throw in there as well-like Reid and Pelosi.
Goodforall Frank Zappa tygerpaw25
Yup Nasty Nancy PIGLOUSY, Dirty Harry, Diane Frankenstein, and Last but certainly not the least the dishonorable Barbra the Boxer. Fire them ALL.
Frank Zappa tygerpaw25 and hung — say and hung!
Frank Zappa Where do they grow you people???
BobE Frank Zappa Bob real simple: If you define “You People” maybe I can help, but if not I am not sure where you are going with your question.
What do you expect from a media that has conpletely covered for Obama and his gang of theives? And does anyone think we’d have heard anything about this incident if Zimmerman was black? This is all about flaming the racial divide, something this current administration has done from day one.
What is race? It is a definition and classification of the different structures and characteristics of three specific groups of human beings, so stated by the late professor Darwin. People have used this to demean and belittle each other through prejudice. It is not America that is prejudice as a majority. But it is fueled to look as if it is by the media and politicians seeking to empower them selves and to divide the country and keep it divided. This case would have probably never been noticed if President Obama had not involved himself by making certain statements privately and publicly. It was just the thing he was looking for to spark a prejudicial fire that could have burned across America. In more ways than one. But the American people have prevailed, and are strong in there reserve, and intelligence and choices, and have stood fast allowing justice to prevail.
The jury is the vote of the people and it is the final word, and it is the power of the people and it is vested in the people by the United States Constitution. The Jury has spoken in this case and it is time to move on. The majority of people in the United States of America know this. It is the press and or media and the very left side of the political parties and politicians that are not accepting the will, and voice of the people, and believe they are going to change it.
This case has become for some a line in the sand of philosophical reasoning and power. This case has been used by the communist or left to show force and power over the people. It is a political football and a battle beyond the court room and the reasoning in justice. JUSTICE HAS PREVAILED IN THE MINDS OF THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. THE JURY HAS SPOKEN AND THOSE WHO POLITICIZED THE CASE HAVE LOST THIS BATTLE . THE JURY HAS SPOKEN IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON!!!
Right; and if Trayvon Martin was afraid of George Zimmerman he would not have approached GZ two times while he was parked in two separate areas. Rachel testified twice TM said he was near his da, ddy’s house; he would have had to go back to the T to meet up with GZ. Rachel testified that TM spoke first. She testified there was a bump then Get off me. She placed the time of the first account. Divine-Way.com has real reason behind protests.
I agree. I also believe that this President has undone 50 years of Civil Rights work with his comments about Trayvon, comments about Cambridge police, and his inability to charge and prosecute anyone that is not White…although there, he is having a field day. If you need examples Snowden and Paula Deen first pop into mind. He will chase ANYTHING in order to deflect the focus off himself! Snowden is all we hear about. When was the last time that you heard about the NSA. That place should be SHUT DOWN AND TURNED OFF! Do we hear ANY more about it. Nope. Yet, this is what Obama has learned. Americans are stupid and don’t pay attention to the news nor do they have any depth in what they think about. (no I do not mean everyone) We can be “played” and “distracted.” How many of you can name things Obama has done wrong…well on this board, I’m sure the number is higher, but on the average, like facebook. Have mercy. The other day I did nothing but list “scandals” in a box. I think I typed for 30 minutes….still wasn’t done. Got TIRED and quit. Posted it and had ONE person out of my 300+ facebook friends even respond. I am so saddened by what happened to America and yet I don’t know what it will take to turn it around. People have to learn to be proud of this country, its accomplishments, greatness, and feel of worth themselves and Obama is turning them all into “gimmies” and because they get to do NOTHING except sit around and watch TV and play video games on the back of Americans that work, they see no reason to shake up that boat. Wonder what will happen when the few of us that support the rest by working all quit or die. How will this generation of do nothings survive. Geez.
The ELITIST, white media, Hollywood, our public schools & politicians are the ones who keep racism going in this country. If you are a light skinned race then you are labeled “privileged” & are automatically racist. Your school, internet sites, actors, athletes & politicians pound that into your head. On the other side if you are born black the above mentioned sources tell you that you are a VICTIM, that you CAN’T get ahead, that the government & every light skinned person in America OWES YOU. They learn to be irresponsible, lazy, reject education, embrace victimization & use it as an excuse for their VIRULENT RACISM & VIOLENCE.
Even on these sites the black a s s kissing is astronomical. We, “whites”, ACCEPT that it is o.k. for blacks to use intimidation & violence against us because of what they have suffered. Trouble is they have not suffered ANYTHING. They are like spoiled children, every time they don’t get their way they cry racism & everyone RUNS to accommodate them. A great example was the football player who made $15 million a year whining that it was like slavery because the owners wouldn’t bend over & give them everything they wanted! It is ridiculous & people are getting seriously injured & killed because of it. If blacks were being assaulted & killed in epidemic proportions by “whites” all hell would break loose but since it is blacks assaulting & killing whites it is ignored.
thismustend After these remarks, there is nothing more to be said ! You have said it all !
thismustend “Even on these sites the black a s s kissing is astronomical”? Our country must be going down the drain when we have black ass kissing even on racist sites like this!
BobE thismustend
Haven’t noticed the racism until you showed up Boobe. Ass kissing is a liberal vocation.
thismustend Well put ! I could have not agree with you more
thismustend
You are a sad sick paranoid puppy. Bob E has been very kind and responsive
but for his explanations to mean anything, you need to live in the real world
with the rest of us. Black people have the same wants and desires, needs and
feelings about justice and honor as anyone else. Just as there are white
Mansons, there are black Mansons. I doubt that you know either kind but have
been sucking down the Faux Noise and Limbaugh nations stuff so long that you
fail to see that your world view is filled with cartoons not people. Having
reached this level of unreality, it is pointless for older and wiser people to
try and draw you back from your foolish racist views. You are terribly
depressing to rational people.
A good one, Frank…..”a drop of chlorine in the gene pool”
All of this does not matter. The important thing according
to Holder and Obama is to take away the American citizen’s rights. Take away
their right to defend themselves against thieves, murders and thugs. Take away
their right to bear arms because they can use them to defend themselves. Take
away the Citizens right to a fair trial, because that may not be in Obama or
Holder’s best interest.Take away the
Citizens right to walk their streets without fear of being assaulted, mugged,
robbed and killed, because the poor criminal may be black.Take away the Citizens right to keep what he
has worked for and earned, because somelazyshiftless person may not
have one and he should so let him have your. There can be no justice unless it
is Obama and Holder’s justice.
Yes, black Democrats more than anybody else.
Under Dear Leader and his partner Attny. Gen. in dismantling America and our liberty we’re moving from the rule of law to being ruled by the lawless.
The democrat party majors in race baiting, simply as one of their revolutionary tactics to subvert the foundation of our country.
I kinda like stats, when you made your quote you know I have to in investigate. The 2012 Census , states this, in Mississippi the reported Black population is 37.4%, the reported White population is: 59.9%. You might want to go back and review that.
MikeSlaney ,
The point is there are a lot of bLacks in Mississippi.
I assume you have never driven throug the Mississippi river delta.
BobE attempts to be a supporter of the Black Race Baiters.
Havinging encountered BobE on other message boards, I know from his own words he has said there is no place in this country worthwhile other than NY, and California.
That is it. To BobE that is pretty much the entire U.S.A.
chamuiel MikeSlaney NO, that’s not what I said. Their are places worthwhile other then NY & CA. but they are ALL found on the east or west coasts with very few exceptions (Aspen, Vail, Beaver Creek & Park City)
BobE chamuiel MikeSlaney
BobE , you just confirmed what I said.
Every state that lies between the West coast and East Coast is just flyover country to you.
I love it when you attempt to back track.
Again you put down Mississippi, Georgia, and Alabama.
You, of course do understand that blacks live in those states, do you not?
Those numbers are quite close. As of the 2010 Census:
59.1% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American(58.0% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hispanic_white, 1.1% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic)
37.0% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American or Black
0.5% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Native
0.9% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_American
1.1% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiracial_American
1.4% Other
If the blacks that are rioting had a job they would not have time to riot. But oDUMBO IS KEEPING THEM DOWN BY GIVING THEM FREE STUFF ETC. Remember small minds are easy to control and that is the plan. I am no scholar and I can figure this out. He is even trying it on white folks too. The American people need to wise up or we will be a 3rd world country. Remeber how Rome fell we are heading in that direction for sure Just saying!
lavender lady “I am no scholar”. nothing like stating the obvious
BobE lavender lady whatever
BobE lavender lady
Bobe you can really screw up facts, glad to hear you say you’re no scholar. I knew all that talk about NYU was BS. But don’t worry BobE,
Jesus Loves You anyway………
BobE lavender lady
BoobE – lavender lady was just giving a truthful statement as opposed to your constant pretense of being one of the “educated elite.”
The truth is refreshing.
BobE
He pursued no one. He followed him which he had every right to do as a matter of fact he had an obligation to follow him to see where he was going and/or what he was up to. He was a block watch leader. He also did not start the fight and was returning to his vehicle when he was attacked. These are the facts that came out during the trial. Like it or not. Furthermore, TM hit GZ knocked him down and did the act referred to as ground and pound. GZ feared for his life at that point and pulled his weapon and shot him after he shouted for help several times. You may perceive these facts differently that’s your right but you perception does not make them correct. Furthermore, you are entitled to you own opinion but not your own facts. GZ was found not guilty, get over it!
AZDon We don’t know who started the fight, what was said or much else other then what Zimmerman told the police. All we know is that a self proclaimed “neighborhood watchman” thought a black kid walking through his neighborhood was a “suspect” so he armed himself & went into pursuit of Martin & ended up shooting him
BobE AZDon ,
We do know from witness accounts, and from Police Balistics experts that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman.
chamuiel That is the ground and pound
BobE AZDon
BoobE, no need to use the 1st person plural pronoun. You need the 1st person pronoun because you’re alone in not knowing who started the fight. Similarly, we know a lot that you’re trying to deny because there were a number of witnesses who saw TM assaulting GZ.
Next – if you’re going to be honest (which you never are), you wouldn’t modify the reality of GZ’s role in the neighborhood watch as “self-proclaimed.” That’s just a little dishonest (what else?) leftist trick in trying to discredit G.Z.’s role, acting as a responsible citizen.
Similarly, there’s no need to put quotes around the words: neighborhood watchman. If we were face-to-face, I can imagine you making air quotes, and giving us a Chris Matthews look, nodding your head and rolling your eyes like a teenage girl. Just another attempt to undercut G.Z’s function by your attempt to be derogatory.
Now, here’s a news flash for you Mr. computer warrior – neighborhood watchmen actually care about protecting the people and property of their neighborhood – and they have enough concern and courage to serve (I imagine you don’t and haven’t). Anyone who doesn’t belong, and is dressed for concealment and is acting suspiciously would deserve to be viewed with suspicion. And, it’s legal and common sense to arm yourself. It’s even Constitutional, but I know you don’t believe in that.
bob E.diot… Zimmerman follwed Travon because blacks had been robbing and abusing his neighborhood and he was the neighborhood watchman…IF any blame is to be found in he death of Travon it is the black criminals that continuously assulted Zimmerman’s neighborhood… Zimmerman did not have a racist bone in his body… I do, but I also hav e a mind and I do not allow my emothions to rule my mind…I am racist because of obama, holder and the gang mentality of these and of most blacks.. Ten on one is not fun be it p;hysically abusing a person or emotionally abusing them.. Obama and holder continuously organize people to be against good and for evil..You can take it to the bank I would never vote for a democrat or a black man unless the black man was a born again Christian…in Christ Jesus there is neither black nor white, free nor bond, male nor female… They are all free individual, not morons like you Bob who lives his life via the gang mentality of morons..aka obama’s gang.
e1313ruth Being a racist you are unable to even comprehend an event like this in non racist terms. Do ANY of you seriously believe that if the exact same circumstances were to have happened & Zimmerman was a 30 year old black man & martin was a 17 year old white kid you’d be arguing for Zimmerman? Of course not. You’re racist & you see terms along those lines which is why you hate Obama so much
BobE e1313ruth
Bobe, you have no idea what your talking about as usual, first of all your name does not make you white (if it did I most likely had changed it when I was young to avoid all the junk I was going through) that being said if you and the media want to insist that Zimmerman is white then you must insist that obama stop saying that he is black.
Anyway, Jesus Loves You BobE…………
elnegron77 BobE e1313ruth Bobe believes everyone else has to think like him. Just ignore him.
RON G elnegron77 e1313ruth
Ron I don’t pay him much mind, I just enjoy reminding him that Jesus loves him 🙂
BobE
If it was shown that the 17 year old white kid had jumped a older Black man, I would support the older black man.
Case in point, a young black woman pursued by a young white man and finally forced to stop her car.
The young white man ran up to the young black womans car and proceeded to beat on her car window threatening to break it if she did not roll it down.(This was a case of road rage)
Being in fear of her life, she shot the young white man. The Police found no evidence to hold or charge her. It was a case of self defense. I support her actions.
And there were no race baiters in this situation demanding that the young black woman be put on trial.
Why do you attempt to make something about race when clearly it was not.
I hate obama because of his actions, I hate obama for saying things like “If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”
obama is supposed to be President of everyone. He has chosen not to be.
Some people like you, BobE see everything through racist glasses.
I would feel the same if the roles were reversed… but of course you will NOT believe that becasue you don’t WANT to believe it. It is terrible that a young boy died… but GZ did not break any law, and he wasn’t looking for a chance to pull the trigger – otherwise he would have approached the situation with his weapon drawn! Why is it that it MUST be about race? It is because that is the only way you can deal with it. This was about stupidity, youth, and a poorly written law…. but according to that law, justice was provided. Broward County is 78% white, and the jury was 84% white. There was one minority on the jury. There was neither a black nor a hispanic. The defendent is to be tried by a jury of HIS PEERS – and he was. They found him innocent. If the only acceptible outcome in your opinion is GUILTY, then why even waste time on a trial? Justice was equiteably set out and enforced. Now go about your business and move on.
SmarterThanThat We can ALL agree that Zimmerman instigated this when he falsely assumed that Martin was a criminal because he was black & armed himself to confront the “suspect”. Martin was unarmed & not committing any crime so no matter what happened I cannot understand how it’s self defense
BobE SmarterThanThat ,
we can all agree that Trayvon instigated this when Trayvon thought that Zimmerman was a gay cracka out to rape him, and jumped Zimmerman in order to beat the hell out of him.
we can all agree that Trayvon acted like the criminal thug he was, and that Zimmerman did no wrong.
BobE SmarterThanThat
No BoobE, WE CAN’T all agree with your fabricated account.
Of course, you can’t understand how defending yourself against a guy sitting on your chest, punching you in the face and slamming your head into the concrete is self-defense.
No one expected you to get it right.
BobE SmarterThanThat WRONG! Most here seem to support that Trayvon had every opportunity to escape – go to the house he was supposed to be staying at, but elected to attack Mr. Zimmerman! I understand though, that you have some special way of looking at the facts and coming up with then opposite of what everyone else sees/understand, so I expected you to say that. His color was NOT an issue for Zimmerman, nor the reason he was following him, but please allow your racist slip to show who you are! Obviously, as many times as it has been explain on this thread, you are incapable of understanding plain English and simple reason. Regardless of whether he was armed or not, Trayvon placed Mr. Zimmerman in fear of death or severe injury to himself, which fully justifies any force and including deadly force to defend himself!
SmarterThanThat He wasn’t looking for a chance to pull the trigger??? How do you know that? He said he didn’t want the “suspect” to get away” & was told not to pursue him. If martin would have been a white kid none of this would have happened. If somebody follows you around & then begins to question you as to why you’re in his neighborhood that is the kind of thing that can lead to a fight & if you’re armed you cannot instigate a fight & then claim self defense (unless you’re in FL)
SmarterThanThat If a black man shot some white kid that just turned 17 that was just walking through the neighborhood the police would have shot him or a lynch mob would have hanged him!
chamuiel BobE SmarterThanThat Bobe doesn’t seem to realize that the trial is over and Zimmerman was found not guilty! He thinks that he is the all knowing and should be the only one to pass judgement. Just ignore him!
BobE SmarterThanThat
I know you think you’re dealing in truth BoobE, but, as with all lefties, you’re in the realm of conjecture, hypothesis, hypotheticals.
In other words, a bunch of made up shit to prop up your bankrupt ideology.
BobE e1313ruth
BoobE, you never fail to live down to the ethics and mentality of the leftist subversives.
When you have nothing to contribute (that’s always for a liberal), then just try to discredit your opponents (those who believe in America) by slander.
And there’s no more overworked bit of slander than the ethically bankrupt practice of progressives than to engage in a little race baiting.
That you have to rely on a hypothetical encounter (another corrupt liberal tactic – because they can’t deal with their corrupt version of reality) in order to try to win your point. No win for you BoobE – what it does is expose the reality that comes from your depraved, leftist mind.
P.S. Then you double down with the charge of racial hatred toward the Marxist. Do you get extra credit for that from your political commissar?
BobE e1313ruth It’s Obama’s policies BobE. Get it?
Zimmerman May Not Be Racist, But America Is
______________________________________________________.
Bull: America is not Racist it just has some Racist living in it.
MatthewJacobs , Who at this point seem to be mostly blacks and white liberals.
chamuiel MatthewJacobs
True… and they give themselves cover by saying everybody is Racist.
For those of you that think justice is blind consider this Marissa Alexander (a pregnant black woman) living in the same county as Zimmerman was beaten by her husband & she fires a “warning shot” into the air & gets 20 years! Zimmerman kills a black kid & walks.
BobE ,
Not knowing much about Marissa Alexander, I really cannot say much about her.
I am sure there are reasons she is serving a 20 year sentence. She obviously received a trial just as Zimmeran did.
There is one difference, Zimmerman’s trial was politically motivated and forced by the race baiters.
chemuiel–I looked this one up–it’s a totally different situation. Marissa Alexander (9 days postpartum, not pregnant) was arguing with her estranged boyfriend when she went to the garage & returned with a gun, with which she says she says she says she fired a warning shot because he wouldn’t leave. Prosecutors said self-defense & the “stand your ground law” did not apply because she LEFT but RETURNED, when she could have stayed out of danger. Florida has what is called the 10-20 Law & it was under this that she was sentenced to 20 years. Jesse Jackson has visited her in prison & she is appealing.
kmilliorn BobE is trying to use this case to show racism of whites toward blacks.
kmilliorn That sounds like more a case of the stupid ZERO TOLERANCE laws that on on many books now. They are insane laws that do not allow for a Judge to make individualized sentences based on circumsances. We need to get rid of Zero Tolerance laws for EVERYthing and let thinking people make judgments about sentencing case by case. I wish we could pass a law that says ZERO TOLERANCE for all ZERO Tolerance Laws. Zero Tolerance is for mindless, bureaucratic bullies that do not want to THINK.
eggzonotv–Pretty much–& while we’re at it, lets get rid of the foolish rules in schools that send home 5 & 6 year-olds for eating their Pop Tarts into pistol shapes or point their fingers at one another–or “sexually harass” their friends or teachers (!) by hugging them!
kmilliorn – Yes, the important part in her case, as far as FL law is concerned, if that she left and returned. Stand your ground and self-defense are hard to show when you left the threatening situation and voluntarily came back. Regardless of whether someone thinks Martin/ZImmerman was Martin’s fault or Zimmerman’s, the Alexander case is completely different and unrelated.
LetsFindOut kmilliorn really? 20 years for shooting a roof & walk free for killing a black kid in the same court room?
BobE–If you had bothered to read the Alexander case, you would know that there were children present & she shot the wall. Evidently child endangerment figured into her sentence.
chamuiel kmilliorn chamuel, one thing you need to understand about BobE, he is a complete idiot who idolizes the gays and hung black men. I think he fantasizes about himself and Barack every night in his dreams. So, just realize that this commie degenerate doesn’t have any credibility on this post or any other post.
Edward53 chamuiel kmilliorn You just CANNOT get gay sex out of your mind & black d*ck out of mouth!
kmilliorn Just ignore bobe. Sometimes it’s hard to do, but he decides that this is the way it was and never changes his mind. He doesn’t let a facts bother him.
BobE LetsFindOut kmilliorn
Again with the dishonesty BoobE. What an absurd comparison, but normal for progressives.
Read the indictment. I don’t think you’ll find your make believe nonsense in it. There was a real crime involved.
kmilliorn
If BoobE had bothered to read . . . That’s too much bother for BoobE.
Besides, what do facts have to do with anything the leftist parrot chirps.
kmilliorn
Part and parcel of “zero tolerance” and the leftist agenda could more quickly be accomplished by neutering all of our boys. That’s their agenda – the same as it was for the liberals before the II World War.
Ever hear the saying cheese eating surrender monkeys? They collapsed in front of the German blitz even though they had more men and the benefits of defense. Trouble was – the lefties turned them into pansies.
That’s the agenda. Doubt it? – The Commie in Chief wants us to disarm. That’s not a new position for the bankrupt left.
Always a Marine kmilliorn Marine, if “we neuter OUR boys” the human race would cease to exist. All they have is “gay and lesbians” that have sex. That doesn’t make more humans. They will be extinct in just a few more years. “Our boys” need to keep procreating!
Grumpy–I don’t think anyone would stand for that program any way! Don’t worry!
BobE Edward53 chamuiel kmilliorn But BoobE, everytime I see you post on here and blow off your rude, big mouth I automatically think of homosexuals. I’m sorry, Boob, but that’s the impression I get from you. Please come out of the closet and make x teeth and your local gay community proud of you.
BobE LetsFindOut kmilliorn – No 20 years for making a deliberate decision to leave the scene, get a gun, and then return and fire in the direction of the other person…. versus not guilty for being approached, fighting, both going for the gun, and it going off in self-defense.
BobE Explains the what, where and why this case is different.
“If anything, Alexander’s case is an indictment of Florida’s mandatory minimum sentencing requirements, not its self-defense laws. State prosecutors initially offered Alexander a plea deal of three years in prison. She rejected the deal. Upon conviction, she was sentenced to a mandatory minimum of 20 years in prison.”
http://mediatrackers.org/florida/2013/07/16/no-marissa-alexanders-conviction-was-not-a-reverse-trayvon-martin-case-in-florida
BobE
BoobE – You need to take the cartridges out of your pistol. Here you go shooting yourself in the foot again.
That you try to justify your unjustifiable argument with this unrelated, and completely different situation is nothing more than a revelation of the mind and tactics of bankrupt liberalism.
BobE FYI. I can only speak for the CCW laws in Missouri, BUT, here it is against the law to fire any “warning shot”. Doing so can and will result in arrest. The weapon must be kept concealed at all times (no flourishing) and only shown when used. It is also wise to use “personal protection” ammo (jacketed hollow points). If using round nose FMJ ammo, even if the person you shoot is trying their hardest to kill you, if you shoot them and the round hits them but passes through and goes on to hit an innocent bystander, or goes through a window of a home and hurts or kills somebody, the the shooter is legally responsible. Contrary to some popular belief, having a CCW does not make someone the “Lone Ranger” or anything of the sort. The laws are very strict.
A law in which allows an armed person to walk the streets and question they thinks looks suspicious and if that causes a fight to break out then gives the person the right to shoot an unarmed person & then claim self defense is outrageous
BobE Her only mistake…She needed to just kill her husband for being a PIG,,,,Really simple…One shot One Kill Screw the warning shot.
Problem solved, No More Blind Justice, just a dead husband. As for Zimmerman Keep Up The Good Work.
BobE
Do you ignore facts on purpose or does ignorance just come natural to you? Get your facts straight then post a comparison on Marissa.
BobE Still watching crazy Chris Matthews BobE?
Don York BobE BobE thinks Chris Matthews is sexy (along with Barney Franks).
Edward53 Don York BobE You CANNOT get gay sex off your mind!!!
BobE She was not pregnant as she had already given birth. He was not beating her and she left and went to the garage and got the gun. She could have left but chose to go back inside and fired the gun into the wall were two of her children were. She was arrested for endagering the lives of her children.
BobE Another example of liberals misusing the law BoobiE. That she’s in jail with a sentence of 20 years is YOUR DOING! Along with other nit wits like you.
BobE
So you seek a perfect Legal System here on Earth,… don’t hold your breath !
Yes, you are making sense!
BobE
BoobE – You need to take the cartridges out of your pistol. Here you go shooting yourself in the foot again.
That
you try to justify your unjustifiable argument with this unrelated, and
completely different situation is nothing more than a revelation of the
mind and tactics of bankrupt liberalism.
How come racism SEEMS to be only white against blacks? Why don’t hispanics complain, or Asians? The black leaders want to keep it going for revenue, recognition, and votes. I think the word should be outlawed.
Sadly, government policy reeks of racial division – setting up uneven ground for poor people of different races to compete for jobs and subsidies. This kind of racial profiling by the government and its misdirected policies – entrenches racism at the lower socio-economic levels in ways it refuses to acknowledge..Obviously at the higher levels of education and economic vitality – there is much much less open racism or it becomes non-existent. The Liberal government and NGO bureaucracies benefit in growth and funding by continuing to stir the pot among the poor and disadvantaged.- where tax dollars can be filtered through the managing and controlling elite.
Well as far as the criminal element in this case (Martin)
I say Kill’Em all let God Sort Em out.
and Jessie who other than you, Sharpton, Holder and OBOZO has made America racists. The whole damn lot of you’al has made America that way. We are tired of giving to you people who take and give not thing back to society except WHINING! All you know how to do is race bait and protest, NOTHING MORE!! You give nothing back to America, look at your own son, in trouble, great shining example of what? Trayvon was a thug, in trouble with the law, third suspension this year and he got what he got. 92% of your group Jessie, has caused black on black killing and you want to dis-arm American. Over our dead bodies you will and the U.N. 26 states have stand your ground and many states like Wyoming have OPEN CARRY! We have it for a reason Jessie, wonder what that reason might be, Just WONDERING!!!!!!!!!!!!
The State had no intention of having Zimmerman found guilty. If they had, they would have introduced the evidence of Zimmerman’s violent past..and also his use of the prescription drug Temazepam which has caused hallucinations, aggressive
behavior, memory loss and more…. which he was reported by paramedics as using
the night he killed Trayvon Martin. No mention was made either of his
being fired from his part-time job as a house-party security
guard…for being too aggressive (tossing a women who was drunk
against a wall and causing injury to her)..or his arrest for attacking a policemen..or the
restraining order filed by his ex-fiance against him and her
reports of his physically abusing her…or his problem with alcohol which was supposedly “cured” bu his attending AA. Then there were the nearly
4 dozen calls (46) he made over the course of several years
reporting suspicious behavior of Black men in the
neighborhood.
http://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/
BHBF Zimmerman is a hero to people here because he killed a black kid (with a gun) & a jury found him innocent.
BobE–Wrong again! Zimmerman is NOT a hero & Martin is NOT a martyr. They are both guys who met up in the wrong place, at the wrong time, & a whole lot of people who care not one whit about either one of them are capitalizing on the tragedy for their own agendas.
BobE BHBF Really. And you know this HOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
BobE BHBF Were you there to see the crime. So how can you say that he is not guilty?So your rants do not mean a thing. If you were an eye witness then you could rant and rave that he is guilty. So shut up already! The jury came back not guilty and this is the law of the land. Another thing if you are so against America WHY DON”T YOU LEAVE.
lavender lady BobE BHBF I didn’t see the OJ crime & I thought he was guilty too. Did you?
BobE lavender lady BHBF I accepted what the jury said. Who I am to judge . I wasn’t there !
BobEBHBFHave you even seen a picture of Martin as he looked on the night of the incident? Probably not. He didn’t look like his cute little 8th grade photo the incompetent mass media was showing on the Communist News Network.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cdn.hiphopdx.org//images/news/Game_Trayvon_Martin-hhdx.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.19164/title.game-weighs-in-on-trayvon-martin-shooting&h=304&w=304&sz=81&tbnid=EyUM57_IVCH1KM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=91&zoom=1&usg=__YUfV0DSwTpql0DltUxHsUQujw7s=&docid=uodn3AxRpj12NM&sa=X&ei=iFXnUbHLPJS69gTshYCYCA&ved=0CDgQ9QEwAw&dur=19866
GrumpyOldMan BobE BHBF OK, so now “looks” is going to determine who should be shot or not?
BobE GrumpyOldMan BHBF BoobiE, yes it could be. On Thanksgiving it’s probably not the best idea to look like a turkey. Oops! Sorry. I didn’t mean to insult your ancestors.
BobE GrumpyOldMan BHBF
ABSOLUTLY hopefully not with the same ending but only a fool doesn’t have one eye out, for potential Trouble and yes Trouble has a Look. Part of that Look is the age behind that Look as well as Race. Althoug Race is involved it is not the majore component to the Look.
But before you blow a Race gasket: If 12 young teens are walking toward you wearing the Hoodie, baggy pants just barely staying up without a hand or 12 young tens are walking toward you wearing slacks and white shirts because they just sing at their church… Which one sets off your Radar. The Look has a Look believe it not …. Ignore that fact at your Own peril
BobE BHBF
http://www.livefyre.com/profile/13995865/7 hours ago
BHBF Zimmerman is a hero to people here because he killed a black kid (with a gun) & a jury found him innocent.
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THAT IS SLANDER
HBF–Wow–That’s some hatchet job! A couple of your points are off: Temazepam is given for sleep & is a sedative/hypnotic. It causes anxiety & aggressiveness in 0.5% of cases or less–highly unlikely to be a factor in this case. The “assault on a policeman” occurred when his friend was arrested for reckless driving & was removed from his record after he successfully completed a pre-prosecution diversion program. The “domestic abuse” complaint was half of a pair of “his & hers” complaints shared with his ex-fiancé–not exactly probitive. I listened to the medics’ testimony & remember no reports of hallucinations, etc from the medics. Had they seen those in a patient they were evaluating for head trauma, those would have MANDATED automatic transfer to an ER for evaluation for brain injury. (I have 26 years of trauma surgery experience). As to the rest of your allegations, I have not researched them, so I cannot evaluate them. You do know that there were ACTUAL witnessed crimes committed by young blck males in the Retreat, which were reported by residents other than Zimmermn in the months before February, 2012, right?
kmilliorn Excellent comment. Liberals love to twist things to the way they want it to be.
kmilliorn
According to thehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000808/, the
drug is also known to cause “aggressiveness” and
“hallucinations,” among other problematic symptoms.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000808/
“You should know that some people who took medications for
sleep got out of bed and drove their cars, prepared and ate
food, had sex, made phone calls, or were involved in other
activities while partially asleep. After they woke up, these
people were usually unable to remember what they had done.
Call your doctor right away if you find out that you have been
driving or doing anything else while you were sleeping.
“You should know that your mental health may change in
unexpected ways while you are taking this medication. It is
hard to tell if these changes are caused by temazepam or if
they are caused by physical or mental illnesses that you
already have or suddenly develop. Tell your doctor right away
if you experience any of the following symptoms:
aggressiveness, strange or unusually outgoing behavior,
hallucinations (seeing things or hearing voices that do not
exist), feeling as if you are outside of your body, memory
problems, difficulty concentrating, new or worsening
depression, thinking about killing yourself, confusion, and
any other changes in your usual thoughts, mood, or behavior.
Be sure that your family knows which symptoms may be serious
so that they can call the doctor if you are unable to seek
treatment on your own.”
BHBF–Trying to use the potential 0.5% risk of a side effect is grasping at straws. The vast majority of adverse effects occurring with this class of medication occur within hours of awakening or in the middle of the night after taking it at bedtime & are similar to “sleepwalking”–& only occur in maybe 4.5% of patients (not commonly). So, is it possible–remotely, yes; is it likely–no. The odds are really against it.
In July 2005, he was http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/27/10894561-zimmerman-accused-of-domestic-violence-fighting-with-a-police-officer?lite
for http://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5782626 The neighborhood watch
volunteer who wanted to be a cop got into a scuffle with
cops who were questioning a friend for alleged underage
drinking. The charges were reduced and then waived after
he entered an alcohol education program. Then in August
2005, Zimmerman’s former fiance sought a restraining orderhttp://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1021230 because of domestic violence. Zimmerman
sought a restraining orderhttp://myclerk.myorangeclerk.com/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1021678 in return. Both were granted. Meanwhile,
over the course of eight years, Zimmerman made at
least http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abuse-911.html to the Sanford (Fla.) Police
Department reporting suspicious activity involving
black males.
Thanks to the supposed Florida “Sunshine Law” his arrest record is available.
BHBF
So? Is that supposed to mean anything.
Why didn’t you bring up the times he farted in church to show his profane nature?
BHBF SO WHAT???????? Even if true, it has no bearing on the case that was persecuted…I mean prosecuted! If you want to be a lawyer, go to law school. Your TV programs that taught you law were entertainment, not instructional to the real operation of the law.
BHBF
How is any of that germane to what happened that Dark and Rainy night?
It appears you find fault with Neighborhood Watch Volunteers who invest their time and yes wellbeing toward protecting their Community.
BHBF All that you say comes with the job he was doing,if your not going to watch over the neighborhood ,and try to stop people from braking into homes and raping people ,than one would be no better than you the writer on this.
DennisDesOrmeaux BHBF neighbor watch isn’t a job. It’s an excuse for wanna be cops to pretend they have authority over others (which they don’t). This DIPSHIT couldn’t even name one of ONLY 3 streets in a neighborhood he had lived in for 5 years & was suppose to be watching!
BobE DennisDesOrmeaux BHBF
Correct Neighborhood Watch is not a job it is made out of Volunteers ,something I’m sure you have no experience with.
MatthewJacobs BobE DennisDesOrmeaux BHBF He also doesn’t have a “neighborhood” to have any experience in that regard. He has no friends and few associates. He’s very lonely and unhappy like most liberal/progressives.
BHBF you are so pathetic, go marry a black man. Nothing in Zims past has anything to do with being punched in the nose and having zims head banged into the ground. A little punk ass black kid playing video games and professing to be a “bad ass Ni66er”who was as bad as you claim zim was, found out playing with grownups can get your ass kicked and fatally shot. The color of either make no diference one hit the other repeatedly and the other was afraid for his life, CASE CLOPSED”.
BHBF Maybe because there was no REAL evidence to support any of it? And even if it were factual he would then have the defense of the state being unable to prove mens rea. The fact is, the State never had a case and it was nothing more than political theater to satisfy the race baiters.
Grumpy–You have hit the nail squarely on the head. That is precisely why the prosecution bypassed the Grand Jury–There was so little to support the case that it would have been no-billed & there would have been no trial. The prosecution was forced to present what little it had–which was a case basically built of wet toilet paper.
There is definitely an element within society, including some in the media, that find it advantageous to make sure racism is propagated. Just look at people like Whoopi Golldburg and their response to Brad Paisley and LL Cool J singing “Accidental Racist” together. Simply the fact that they sang together was more than Whoopi could take. Much less LL noting that Lincoln freed the slaves… which means a white man freed blacks… Whoopi went on about that for a long time. Something as simple as historical fact was enough for her to publically chide LL Cool J for being so “non-black” to sing with Brad and give credit to Lincoln… She is the kind of racist that will do all they can to keep racism alive and well.
I pray that George Zimmerman sues NBC for millions for spreading their propaganda and lies against him.
Don York Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!
lavender lady Don York ditto
Don York How about NBC giving Zimmerman a reality show? Dress him up as a “cracker” & have him walk the streets (unarmed) at night in places like South Bronx, South Chicago & South Central LA & see how he reacts when the “neighborhood watch” confront him!
BobE Don York
Oh, there’s the hateful racism of the left that we’ve all come to know and despise.
Always a Marine BobE Don York Racism? Giving a man his own TV show???
BobE Always a Marine Don York
Yep, as you’ve created it. Don’t forget – your post wasn’t just racist, it was hateful too. Two of the leading traits of liberals.
Always a Marine BobE Don York Arguing with BoobiE (or attempting to) is like arguing to a wall. They both have the same I.Q. and level of understanding. Neither has the capacity to learn, and neither will give an intelligent, reasoned answer.
GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine BobE Don York
It didn’t take me long to learn that BoobE is totally bankrupt – intellectually, morally and spiritually.
It’s a fun diversion – entertaining in an odd way.
BobE Don York You racist SOB.
America is not racist. This divide and conquer Obama administration is racist . Would everyone look at the evidence around the world. In the last five years since Obama has been in the WH every country is in a civil war. And you think this is by accident? If we don’t do something soon the UN will be our government and Agenda 21 will be our constitution. Better think about this and do something soon.
Bob E, you didn’t evidently read everything about the trial. Sure it’s tragic but the “KID???????”idn’t have to punch Zim in the nose after the getto girl said he was probably gay and was going to hurt Trayvon. Start a confrontation and beat someone, bang his head and today an armed person is going to blow your head off. I would do just that so I was not another statistic. Sorry Bob E but I disagree.
Bushmaster0369 a wanna be cop that has a history of drug & alcohol abuse along with a violent record becomes the “self appointed” neighborhood watch. He proceeds to call 911 on dozens of “black people” he sees & finally gets an opportunity to “get one” himself & he does!
BobE Bushmaster0369
There you go again BoobE – you don’t have an argument so you go to the marxist play book and try to win points by attempting to belittle Zimmerman as a “wanna be” cop and a “self-appointed” neighborhood watch.
Are you jealous because you don’t have the stones to protect your home and neighborhood?
Beyond the issue of your marxist tactics, you exceed them with the dispicable practice of judging his character and assigning motives to him that you don’t know anything about. Actually, the lengthy, indepth trial showed that wasn’t the case. The state’s prosecutors didn’t make that case, and the FBI investigation couldn’t make the case. Leave it to a low-life leftist to get down in the septic tank.
Al Sharpton speaks at NAACP. Cue the organ.
lavender lady
Cue the vomit! For Sharpton and for the NAACP – subversive race baiters all.
Always a Marine lavender lady Ain’t it the truth. Just live to stir up trouble. They needto do this to keep their jobs whatever it is
Bob, what a stupid question. Yes, and I also believe that mothers should be able to push their WHITE babies in a buggy and not get shot in the face. This has happened twice in four days!
Bob, I have a great deal of experience working with black children. A friend of the family opened a daycare center. The state paid for the black children who attended. This is what I saw. I will only state the facts. I will NOT include adjectives.
I walked into the classroom for the first time. These children were from age 5-7. They wanted to play “cops and robbers” during free time. What really surprised me is they were having a loud argument over who would play the part of the cop; and who would play the part of the robber. NOT ONE OF THEM WANTED TO PLAY THE PART OF THE POLICE OFFICER.
Upaces Did it even occur to you that the reason why is blacks have a different experience with police than whites?
BobE Upaces I don’t know where you live but I know where I live and the city and county (Texas) where the Daycare center was. IF anyone treated a black, Mexican, or white wrong, they’d have holy hell rain down on them. They are treated the same.
I have a great deal of experience working with the Black Community. I worked for the City of Dallas as well as the Personnel Office for the Police Department. I have an entire file filled with stories…true stories of being part of the beginnings of Affirmative Action from its beginning and then years later.
For years, I have worked with them; trained them and I know exactly what they are like. There was a black politician in Dallas who had an appointment with the Director of Planning and Development. He wasn’t in…so I grabbed two cups of coffee and went in to keep her company until he got into the office. Her name was Diane Ragsdale. She was a nurse at Parkland Hospital in the ER.
As we were talking, I noticed her demeanor was totally different. She was open and honest; and didn’t talk in Ebonics like she did on camera for the press conferences. I point blank ask her, “Diane, you are a nurse at Parkland. First I told her that I was glad we would have a few moments to chat. I went ahead and asked her.
“I don’t understand something. Do you mind explaining it to me? Why are you so loud and militant in front of the camera(s) because this YOU? You are an amazing woman!”
Her answer: I have to be what I am expected to be.
I responded: “Diane, that has to be horrible or you and extremely hard.” Then I walked off because the Director walked in the door. I was just sorry he showed up so quickly. I had so many more questions.
Upaces BobE I live in Malibu, CA & I think Diana Ross & Cicely Tyson may be the only black people living in the city but they haven’t caused any problems.
BobE Upaces That is deeply sad that they are the ONLY examples.
Upaces BobE Well, BoobiE does live in a fantasy land.
BobE Upaces
BoobE, did it ever occur to you that the democrat progressives have destroyed black culture, busted up the traditional family, so that now most children are born out of wedlock, no fathers are in the home and all of the values that make a strong family and society have been killed by the liberal agenda. That the prisons are filled with black men who are killing other blacks (nothing to do with racism, but everything to do with a corroded culture) . . . Did it ever occur to you that might be why the little gangstas don’t want to “play cop?”
You have no answer (along with the rest of progressivism), and you all can’t accept responsibility for your destructive ideology and practices. No lefty is man enough.
Always a Marine BobE Upaces
Bill Cosby addresses a problem in the Black Community. For some reason, this site is not allowing me to upload a video by Bill Cosby talking about Black Parenting and kids not knowing who their parents are.
Always a Marine BobE Upaces Hopefully, it will allow me to upload the video:
Always a Marine BobE Upaces No, that never did occur to me. What did however are laws that end up putting black people in jail for longer sentences than white people. Cocaine is a perfect example.
BobE Always a Marine Upaces “Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.” You’re generalizing again BoobiE. But I’m not a fan of the “war on drugs” anyway. It costs far too much money for the results we don’t get, and like every other war since WW II it’s been lost.
In this regard I’m a Libertarian. Let them snort, shoot up or whatever else they want to do. Just stay out of emergency rooms and die somewhere out of sight! The smell will lead us to where the garbage needs to be picked up at.
BobE Always a Marine Upaces
Cry me a river. Do the crime, do the time.
BobE Upaces You have selective reasoning BoobiE. Wear a hoodie, your pants half way to your ankles, slink around at night in neighborhoods that are not yours, and I don’t care what color you are, you will have the same experience!
GrumpyOldMan BobE Upaces Go shopping on Rodeo Drive or Melrose Avenue in Beverly Hills & you’ll see rich white kids dressed the same way (only they’re wearing Chrome Hearts)
BobE GrumpyOldMan Upaces They are also “wannibes”. Probably should try them the same as Zimmerman and convict them for it. But what they wannabe is not productive. Bad examples wanting to be more bad examples.
BobE Upaces I wonder why? They even murder each other so what would it matter to murder someone who was not black. Look at the prisons? They are not there for no reason.
I’M SO FREAKIN TIRED OF HEARING THE WORD RACIST. ONE MORE TIME AND I’M ABOUT TO PUT SOMEONES LIGHTS OUT AND YELL BLOW ME !!!
To truly see how racist American is, take a very close look at the ENTIRE team, present and former, of appointed officials in the current regime in the District of Corruption.
ElderAmbassador That’s not representative of America. That’s representative of the Dumb-0-craps!
True Jesse Kackson is the most racest of all the A<A
Where’s the outrage for Joshua Chellew? Red headed headed white boy, beat to death by 4 African Americans.
It is apoling that no one appears to realize that, RACISM, has been turned into a huge multi-Billion Dollar industry!
No racial crisis, no money for the false, self-appointed profets!
Pitiful!
Brabado Oh how true! Terms … words … So often misused, misinterpreted. Often on purpose. I could care less if you do not have the same meaning if mine is the common meaning. However, it is both our resposability to make sure we connect. If you do not like my meaning that is now your problem. If you wish to react negatively, you are taking full responsability for any wrong communication.If you are of a different race, religion or creed you are going to perseave me as and promote me to others as a bigot. Way too often this is what I have seen and people like Jackson, Sharpton, neo-nazies, skinheads do.This is the scary part … THEY ALL MAKE THE KKK LOOK LIKE ANGELS!!
tygerpaw25 Brabado Speaking of word usage “I could care less” means that you care. You care enough that you could diminish that level of care. The phrase is “I couldn’t care less.” in the context in which you used it.
As to the KKK, I believe you have to be correct because we (well W. Virginia) elected a Dragon of the KKK to the Senate. So far, not the others. But we DO have a Muslim terrorist in the White House and a Black Panther for an Attorney General.
GrumpyOldMan tygerpaw25 Brabado
Then too, we have a muslim advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood in the House from Minn. Actually, the socialist democrat party has a host of sympathizers and advocates for the Muslim Brotherhood.
Three new home invasions in my area . Guess what color they were when they got caught. 3 guesses 1st two don”t count.
We’re all racist one way or another, but because of our IQ, we control ourselves.
gander1056 IQ has nothing to do with it. It is our conscience and what we were taught and built upon over the years.
Upaces gander1056 taught mostly by our own life experiences not other people.
tygerpaw25 Upaces gander1056We tried through Affirmative Action. I am an ol’ gal, and have had many many experiences from that time of Affirmative Action in teaching the black population their jobs…so they could climb in their chosen professions.I worked for the City of Dallas in the Department of Planning and Development. I was a permanent temp and floated all around the departments. The Opening came up for a Permanent person in the job I was in as an Administrative Assistant to the Director. There were 57 women in the department and only 3 of those were white.They really didn’t want the job because it “wasn’t UNION”..but they didn’t want a white woman to have it either.I had learned to carry a hand-held pocket recorder because I had been threatened so many times. I was pulled off in a stairwell and slammed against a brick wall. She had her elbow at my throat and a double-long form of acrylic nail jabbing me between the eyes warning NOT to apply for the job. I had to replace all of my tires on my car twice due to them being slashed. Finally I started parking two blocks away and walked at night to get to my car (carrying a gun in my coat pocket because I had been threatened so many times.I finally did get her…I had the audio tape and took it to human resources….she was NOT fired… she had to go to counseling for an entire “2 hours.” That was it!TWO HOURS.We trained them. I invited each one to lunch at one time or another and each one refused “UNLESS” she needed something from me.
tygerpaw25 Upaces gander1056
While working at The City of Dallas, I spent two years trying to be part of building the Rainbow Coalition in Dallas.
I was active part of the Commission for the Black Community in Dallas TX between 1990-1992. Are you saying that White communities should help accomplish what goals?
White America have bent over backwards — in the beginning through Affirmative Action – to give them equal opportunities as a spring board allowing them to move forward and compete for jobs according to qualification not “because they are black.”
Schools and communities including housing were brand new. Within a year, the black population who had control over their own properties allowed them to run down; then seek to have white city, county and/or state to come in again and repair all of the damage they did to their own properties “sold” to them as their own homes at a discounted cost. Plush apartments were built and they could live in them and pay substantially less than the same architectural design in other parts of town, were high $$ living.
During the Rainbow Coalition in Dallas, New schools were built as well as playgrounds. It was deliberately built on the border of a middle income bracket of White Dallas Citizens and Black Citizens. It was planned this way so that black and white child could play together and become friends. The black children wanted the playground to themselves and formed gangs to beat up on the white children who were there to do what all children do — Play on the playground.
The schools were vandalized by their own children.
gander1056
I also have a problem with you’re using IQ .
MatthewJacobs gander1056
I’m sure you don’t understand the meaning of IQ. Don’t worry about, the government will continue to take care of you.
gander1056 WE are not racist. It is part of our survivel system. If it is different we do one of two things: investigate or flee! Which leads to fight or flight If we are buned once, nature makes us causious. Some times a person of low IQ is more accepting than one of high IQ.
tygerpaw25 gander1056 Yes. I get nervous when I see someone wearing a ski mask and they are not skiing and the temperature is approaching 100 degrees. Especially in Chicago! Or Eric “The Goon” Holder. They are both really scary.
I heard something years ago….there are two kinds of hate.1) Hate is anger turned in on yourself and then protecting it onto others; in other words…some people just don’t want to deal with “their own hate, rage and anger and take it out on others.2) Then there is anger which comes from experiencing or watching injustice happen to others due to hate, and rage.Please think about this, okay? IF you have the opportunity to Google a man named “Gerren Lyles (or Liles)”. He is a black poet in NY that my family has known for years. He wrote a small book “The ‘Road to Damascus.”Basically, he explains the Black rage and hate? Blacks do NOT love themselves and protect their anger and rage OUT at the whites to make it all better.We can’t. We tried through Affirmative Action. I am an ol’ gal, and have had many many experiences from that time of Affirmative Action in teaching the black population their jobs…so they could climb in their chosen professions.I worked for the City of Dallas in the Department of Planning and Development. I was a permanent temp and floated all around the departments. The Opening came up for a Permanent person in the job I was in as an Administrative Assistant to the Director. There were 57 women in the department and only 3 of those were white.They really didn’t want the job because it “wasn’t UNION”..but they didn’t want a white woman to have it either.I had learned to carry a hand-held pocket recorder because I had been threatened so many times. I was pulled off in a stairwell and slammed against a brick wall. She had her elbow at my throat and a double-long form of acrylic nail jabbing me between the eyes warning NOT to apply for the job. I had to replace all of my tires on my car twice due to them being slashed. Finally I started parking two blocks away and walked at night to get to my car (carrying a gun in my coat pocket because I had been threatened so many times.I finally did get her…I had the audio tape and took it to human resources….she was NOT fired… she had to go to counseling for an entire “2 hours.” That was it!TWO HOURS.We trained them. I invited each one to lunch at one time or another and each one refused “UNLESS” she needed something from me.
Upaces Yup… I (white) got STABBED by a black female co-worker while AT WORK. I went to the the hospital… SHE got ‘moved’ to a different department (more money = promoted) …
DaraWalker Upaces I know I already replied…I just started thinking about it again… and I am sooo appalled, disturbed….both words do NOT describe my sadness, disappointment, rage, confusion, and frustration….I don’t know what the answer is….WE SHOULD have a leader who will bring a “peace” concerning racial tensions vs. fanning the flames!
Stupid! Why should anybody care what the racist say s.
BobESmarterThanThat
I
know you think you’re dealing in truth BoobE, but, as with all lefties,
you’re in the realm of conjecture, hypothesis, hypotheticals. In other words, a bunch of made up shit to prop up your bankrupt ideology.
Always a Marine BobE SmarterThanThat Very Nice:
I like the comment because it fits well with BoobE……BoobE lives in a fantasy world and because he lives in “Crack Head” Kalifornia…the peoples republic thereof, he dose not know that an armed society is a polite society. Boob needs a check up from the neck up, even then I am not sure this would help.
Frank Zappa Always a Marine BobE SmarterThanThat
You’re right Frank. BoobE is a puppet of the same ideology that has led entire nations down the path to destruction. Liberalism has led to the deaths of millions either through the dictators of the left who institutionalized murder, rape, robbery and brutality, (e.g. Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Mao) or the leftists who paved the way for these dictators and tyrants to kill by preaching disarmament and pacifism (e.g. Neville Chamberlain, even Jane Fonda).
I’ll take issue that “most Americans” believe in pervasive racism. I don’t believe that’s true at all. But I do believe there are a lot more now than there were before OBozo took office and turned everything into being race caused. And if he hasn’t, his top law man (and I use the term loosely) Eric “The Goon” Holder does.
When you add Jesse Jackson, and Al (not so sharp) Sharpton to the list of professional race baiters, you really can come to no other result. Blacks don’t want equality. They want preference. And those who call themselves “African-American” more so than any others.
You have to understand the problem before you can reach a well reasoned conclusion.
Always A Marine–I don’t think that going & getting a gun to BRING BACK to an argument in order to fire a “warning shot–that might have hit the children present–is much related to the gun control (& mind control) agenda. It’s pretty much simple common sense that you don’t do that. If you are REALLY feeling threatened, you DON’T GO BACK! The 20-year sentence DOES seem extreme to me, however.
The second part of your post regarding the mental & physical disarming of the country couldn’t be more spot on, except I don’t think those in the administration are so organized as to be real Communists. Socialists–probably, but they are having difficulty getting the “troops” to stay in line–look at the developing mutiny of the unions over “Obamacare”..
kmilliorn No one should have to leave their homes because there is some @$$hole in there that doesn’t belong. I see nothing wrong with going and getting your gun wherever it is. Shooting through a wall where children are present is pretty stupid. But that usually isn’t referred to as “shooting in the air”, which is still pretty dumb because you don’t know where the bullet is coming down at. Shooting into the air has caused at least one death that I know of in Pennsylvania.
The punishment is extreme considering no one was hurt. But that again is stupid liberals trying to make sure of an outcome without ever being able to take into account all the variables. It’s why you can not legislate common sense, or morals. It’s also why we have judges and juries. So that they can evaluate the variables.
Grumpy–You are right–you shouldn’t have to leave. But you have to admit that, unless she felt that the kids were in imminent danger (which seems never to have been the case–except from potential GSW), returning to the house from safety with a gun was more like returning to “finish the argument”, rather than to defend herself.
I suspect that her sentence on the far end of the “10-20” sentencing law took into account the potential child endangerment. Your point about legislating common sense is well-taken, however. Ms. Alexander did not exhibit an abundance of it.
Grumpy–You are right–You SHOULDN’T have to leave your home, but legally, you cannot use the SYG defense if you do leave the immediate vicinity of whomever is threatening you to go somewhere safer, get a weapon, then return “in harm’s way” & shoot. In her case, she returned, I think, not to defend herself or her children, but to “finish” the argument.
Her sentence of 20 years, I suspect, reflected the child endangerment issues associated with her shooting into the wall with children in the house.
Your point about legislating common sense is well-taken. Ms. Alexander seems to not have had an overwhelming abundance of it..
kmilliorn Let me know when you perfect being able to read someone else’s mind to perfection. I can help you make a fortune with it. And there won’t be any need for juries anymore.
What if instead of the garage, she had gone into her bedroom and returned? Would that have made a difference to you? It was her house, not his. He had the duty to leave when she told him to. When he didn’t it became tresspassing. And in the case you are referring to, it isn’t “stand your ground” anyway. Nor was the Zimmerman case. It wasn’t even brought up in the Zimmerman case.
I’m still wondering where you got your legal training. They need to close that place down.
Grumpy, I fully agree that SYG did not apply in the Alexander case. The reason I mentioned it is because numerous advocates for her (including Jesse Jackson & the President) have argued that it SHOULD have applied. My point was that it did NOT apply, despite THEIR assertions & those of numerous others in this thread. By the same token, evidently the court did not buy a plea of “self-defense” from someone who was NO LONGER IN DANGER, then returned to the confrontation to fire the gun. Surely you can see the logic in that reasoning. Did she have a “duty to retreat”–of course not! But what reasonable person would put himself/herself BACK in a situation in which he/she felt imminent danger to his/her life, just to throw someone off the property? Reason would dictate that once you are safe, you go next door & call the police or use the cell phone, since obviously the ex was not in hot pursuit.
I never claimed to read her mind–what I did say was that she did not behave logically or reasonably–big difference. No one with children in the house fires a gun into the wall. She is clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, the brightest bulb in the box, etc.
I seriously doubt that she really thought through what might happen after she went & got the gun or what she was going to do with it once she had it, & probably thought the sight of it, alone, would scare him off. When it didn’t, she shot the wall–the handiest target–not really thinking about the kids.
kmilliorn Now what did VP Biden say to do-? Wasn’t it to buy a Shotgun, step outside and shot in in the air-? This lady could have waited and then if she needed to fire, she should have shot him, even if it was in his legs. Whatever it takes to get yourself out of Danger.
When one takes a Conceal Caryy Permit Course are any other type of Gun Training, be it with Front-Sight are the NRA. If you have a Chance to run and get away, RUN. If you are put in a place where you cannot run are get away and the Person(s) are a Threat to your Safety, then and only then draw your weapons and use it. DO NOT draw your Weapon and not use it, you will find yourself in Jail Facing Charges with a Felony for one, “of Threatening with a Gun.” That is what you are TOLD and TOUGHT in Train Courses.
JimmieKing kmilliorn
Biden said to shoot the shotgun through the door. He did not mention going out side.
Did anyone ever tell you that you brag a lot?
You know nothing about CHL classes.
chamuiel I almost would have sworn that Biden said she (think he meant his wife) could step out on the balcony and shoot into the air.
chamuiel JimmieKing kmilliorn No. most People I talk to Call me day are night. Bragging is not Bragging when your speaking about the Lord are talking about your past. Now how do you talk to someone about anything you have done in your Life Time. Don’t you have to use words like “I”, “ME” and Myself-?” Well I will end this talking to my Hand (you) with, “How was the Bible Wrote if it was not People telling about themselves are someone they knew. The first 4 Verses in the Book of LUKE should add a little light on you subject. The Book of LUKE is the 3rd. Book from the Starting in the new Testament, try Reading it.
mjz4043–You are absolutely correct–He did say that he would tell his wife to step out onto the balcony. However, in another speech, comparing the shotgun to the AR 15, he said that the AR was too dangerous to fire in the home, but you could shoot the shotgun “through the door”.
mjz4043 chamuiel You are probably RIGHT. I didn’t hear it but once on the News, and thereafter there were many saying VP Biden said so and so about stepping out-side a firing a Double Barrel Shotgun in the Air, etc. In reality and with a little common sense, it would be far better off firing into a Wall than in the Air. Because what goes up ahs to come down.
kmilliorn There you go, I had heard than one also and how were agreeing with Biden and some were saying he was Nuts. I of course went with the Ladder, because he is NUTS.
Remember how Biden and the.Clinton’s told the Truth (for once) talking about Kenya Obama. But as soon as Biden was asked to run on the BO’s Ticket, man did the Stories and Feelings Changed in a Hurry. So was Biden a Lair before are after being put on the Ticket which was a Fraud to start with-? The same can be said about both of the Always lying Clintons. Mrs. Clinton and her Boyfriend Mr. Foster’s Death. and Drug Using, Lair and Draft Dodger Bill Clinton.
mjz4043 chamuiel That was Biden’s second comment.
his first comment was if someone is breaking in, then you just shoot through the door.
I remember it, because there were conversations going on at the time about how in many states, it was illegal to shoot through the door.
Now, later on he said his wife could step out on the baclcony and fire up into the air.
Shooting up in the air was pretty much directed at his wife.
mjz4043 chamuiel Biden’s first comment was to shoot through the door.
I remember that because many people were talking about that saying in many states it is illegal to shoot through the door.
The stand on the balcony and shoot up in the air was said when someone asked him what his wife wood do.
I wouldn’t be arguing for anyone, because, it would never have been reported!!!
I would like to know why Eric Holder or even Obama have to get involved in the Zimmerman case. Eric Holder should be in prison himself. Did he not make any mistakes lying about “Fast and Furious” . He is protected by Obama or he would be SOL. What nerve these people have. Now there are (2) white American young men who were killed yesterday just because they had a bumber sticker on their car in favor of Zimmerman. Wonder what color these killers are? What in the world is going on???
zimmermantrial Simple answer:
It takes the spotlight off of what is really going on in this country…This is the same thing as “The Wizard of OZ.”
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain…..I am the great and powerful wizard, KING Obozo, there is None like me, I know ALL, and I see All, above it All. I am the great Wizard,,,,,
There is a lot of money and notoriety in Racism. Look at the useless people who keep drumming it up and get their followers marching to the beat. The media and money soon follow.
marilou
Excellent: A well placed idea: What IF Whites wanted a National White History Month and shoved this crap down the throats of the rest of the country for a solid month, how do you think Blacks would react or for that matter ALL other races besides Black??? All the commercials, All the TV programs about how the whites came from here then there and this country and that country….How well would this be tolerated??? What about some commercial that touted ‘Whitey Power.” YUP likely NOT WELL…..I can already hear the comments about Whitey, Cracker, Mutha*F*ers. and the like. Yes the racism AINT gonna stop…
The prison population is about 30% Latino, (Illegal’s) about 40% Black, and the rest is mixed White and other races. For a nation this size with 1/5th of the Worlds population, we have MORE prisoners than in ANY other country in the World. Follow The Money would be a good place to start….We should be proud….Thank you “Legal System” great job on rehabilitation.
Frank Zappa marilou , If Whites started a White History month, then the Blacks would say we are being Racist. The NACCP has already discussed this.
And they tick me off!! I think it those who sponser the media would use the same principle as thosr who fired Paula Deen we would see at lot less of these onsided issues. Also, we need to watch the commercials and see who is it that sponsers these people and boycott their products.
All they are doing is using their own race as a means of making money. Which means the suffix “Rev has no true meaning as far as they are concerened and is an indicator of them not being true angels of light.
Blacks are the biggest racist faction in America today. More blacks murder blacks, or whites. Our prisons are filled to the maximum capacity with blacks. Most of them are okay, just people trying to make it in the world. Those that are so angry need to buck up or leave. We have a Black president that, in my estimation, is ruining this country. What is their problem, I sure am tired of the crap, oh well, it’s our fault for bringing them here as slaves and then not sending them back to Africa!
AlBortz
Not so sure about that. Muslims come pretty close with their hatred.
Abraham lincoln drove a wedge between the citizens and turned citizens against citizens and killed 600.000. b o is driving that same wedge and turning citizens against citizens how many will be killed this time by another American President.
v steve
Agreed, but most people think the war between the states was about race; it was not until much later. The war was unnecessary. Had the states that wanted to secede been allowed to do so, there would have been no war, and, like many other countries, slavery would have been discontinued without conflict.
Like the Democrats of today (and a large segment of Republicans), they want a large, bloated government, the same primary goal as Abraham Lincoln.
sunshkid v steve Yes the abolition of slavery was indeed brought about by Lincoln, so this division / slavery and / racism has been around for decades and it Ain’t going away anytime soon, this is not a “Maybe” we will have a shot at it but it IS here to stay, like it or not. Mans feeble attempt to rid the World of racism is futile. One reason is that we as a nation are living in the last days of time as we know it.
Frank Zappa sunshkid v steve Frank, if what you say is accurate, can you please explain to me how it is the State of Maryland, a Northern State, still had slavery even after Lincoln was dead?
GrumpyOldMan Frank Zappa sunshkid v steve
States Rights: No enforcement even that there is law that forbids the practice.
Another fact: Taxes….The enslavement of ALL AMERICA regardless of color. This single fact alone should be enough to ignite ALL of US against them. 1943 was the first year of “Income Withholding” a temporary War Time Measure that is still in place today….WHY?
It was considered Un-American to NOT participate in the Income Tax Withholding. Now More than 60 years later this is still in place…..Hummmm??? Let me see here….
sunshkid v steve You are correct. If the South had been allowed to secede, the Union would have lost their biggest source of revenue because they would have lost the southern ports of entry. The government at that time was funded primarily by federal import/export taxes. The bulk of that revenue originated in the South.
v steve He is not an American president. He was never constitutionally elected. The fact that he has been allowed to remain squatting in the White House is a disgrace to America, both houses of Congress, and above all, every member of the U.S. Supreme Court.
v steve
I live in the South, but I’ll put the blame on Southerners for driving that wedge between people. Long before Lincoln was elected, Southerners threatened to secede from the Union.
I will agree with you – The Tyrant and the progressive democrats are turning citizens against each other. However, this division isn’t over the high principle of all men being created equal, their cause is the marxist’s deceitful focus on equality, which mean’s the ruling elite will grant you the freedom to support them in their tyranny.
Always a Marine v steve What century are you living in anyway? I lived in Alabama during the 60`s when the “Civil Rights Act” and” Voter Rights Act” were signed into law. I now live in Texas for 46 years but went back to Cullman, Ala. a few years ago and discovered a very different place than the one I had left earlier. Whites and Blacks and Hispanics were eating together in a cafeteria and nobody seemed to notice or care. In the city of Cullman I lived near, 46 years ago that would never have happened. What you speak of about the South was common more that 60 years ago but not so much now.
johnnywoods Always a Marine v steve
I don’t think you understood me.
I live in this century. I live in Ga. I’ve witnessed all of the changes.
What do you think I said?
Always a Marine johnnywoods v steve Your statement about blaming Southerners of “driving a wedge between people. Long before Lincoln was elected , Southerners threatened to secede from the Union”. If you remember your American history you will remember that on several occasions New England states threatened to secede if they did not get their way so what the South did before the so-called “Civil War” was not illegal. I am not sure what else you mean by “driving a wedge between people”. Otherwise, I agree with the remainder of your statement.
Always a Marine v steve very well said.
This whole case should have awakened Americans of all races to more then the death of one more of it’s citizens. We are amiss one of the biggest governmental ploy’s of our political police state history and we’re to dumb ed down to seeing it. Our own highly corrupted governmental leadership has one major agenda and it’s to disarm it’s citizens and crush our constitutional rights while doing it. When I refer to a Dumb ed down America stop to think for just one moment no matter what your ethnic background is to see I’m right. Not one of us hasn’t worked side by side with someone of another race and become good friends while doing it. Who but our own leadership and it’s government controlled media has done more to keeping racism alive so they stay in control of us all. A divided America is a conquered America and the rich elite thrive on just that so “Wake Up America”.
Richard Vandervort
Ahhhhh Richard you are indeed one of the few that truly understands. A country divided (America) cannot stand because a Kingdom that is divided against itself (America) will surely fall.
Richard Vandervort They must disarm us in order to enslave us. However, it is not the “government leaders” that we need to fear as much as our universities who produce these so called leaders.
GrumpyOldMan Richard Vandervort
They’re all subversive and enemies of liberty. They just have different roles to play in their socialist revolution.
Grumpy–AND the folks who keep voting them into office again & again!
The liberal race baiters need to let the issue go! They’ve lost so many rounds already and they are in a hole they started. If they don’t stop digging, they’re going to get buried when everything around them collapses.
sunshkid I wish you were right but I would not hold my breath if I were you.
Well Bob it all depends by what you mean “You People” IF you can tell me what you mean maybe I can help otherwise I am not sure where you are going with your question. After all the Post is What it is.
Frank Zappa I can tell you exactly what I mean by “you people”. “You people” means (when I say it) you uneducated racist Christian fascists living in the southern trailer parks of the bible belt that make up the American Taliban aka Tea party
BobE Frank Zappa
Jesus Loves You BobE……………
BobE Frank Zappa
Oh BoobE. Earlier you wrote that you possess firearms. I mentioned that Dear Leader wouldn’t be happy with you if he learned that.
Now, with this hateful, intemperate, false, defamatory comment about the people of the South, you don’t have anything to fear, you’ll be back in The Tyrant’s good graces.
P.S. There are lots of trailer parks in Kalifornia, and if you really understood political beliefs you’d know that fascists are leftists (progressive democrats). I know you can’t admit it, but we see it in the language of your posts.
P.S. BoobE – I’m wondering if you’ve bought a uniform yet? Did you go for the jodhpurs and riding boots look? Are arm bands optional? (I’ll bet not)
This one did it. I saw Bobe . the vision came in with his message. He spends all day and all night in his mother’s attic, still in last weeks’ underwear, dreaming up stuff in his immature mind, running it through the prescribed liberal template, then posting it with the other hand.
X teeth
Excellent remark and true.
Boob E:
Zimmerman saved taxpayers a lot of cash, GO ZIMMERMAN, and what’s more Martin can’t reproduce more Punks Just like him…Ain’t that swell l!!! Go George you have my gratitude….. The Gene Pool is a bit cleaner at this time in history.
Actually, BoobE, while you don’t deserve a response, in my experience, Neighborhood Watch is an attempt by citizens to deter crime in areas where they live. A number of years ago, a neighborhood where we lived began experiencing a number of thefts, car break-ins and other crimes after the opening of a subway station a few blocks away. Several of us agreed to put up the Neighborhood Watch signs, put bumper stickers on our cars and give up sleep to watch over our neighborhood. The crimes stopped. None of us had any aspirations to become police or to exert authority over others but merely wished to secure our and our neighbors property (guess that’s not a concept a neo-Marxist like you would understand). BTW, while I do have a CCW today, neither I nor any of my colleagues did then nor were we armed. OTOH, we were all ‘Nam vets;-)
RivahMitch
I had to reply simply because you said you were a Nam vet. Salute to you brother.
BoobE, like all lefties, doesn’t believe in personal responsibility and accountability. Don’t stand like a man and protect your neighbors and their property, cower behind the locked door and call 911 – hopefully a “government expert” will come and take care of you.
Remember when seconds count, the police are only minutes away!
Always a Marine RivahMitch You’re wrong. I VERY much believe in personal responsibility and accountability, have many different firearms although the crime rate is extremely low where I live
BobE Always a Marine RivahMitch
Wait until Dear Leader finds out.
Always a Marine BobE RivahMitch
Don’t believe him, children can not own firearms.
But Jesus Loves You BobE….
Always a Marine RivahMitch
Semper Fi!! Be Well!!
RivahMitch I realize that many “good people” organize neighborhood watch for many good reasons. But you have to agree that people that are as unstable as Zimmerman that have a history of violence & alcohol abuse, are on medication should not be on them
BobE RivahMitch ,,
Strange BoobE,
in an earlier post you equated neighborhood watch volunteers as wanna be cops and violent.
Strange how your thoughts keep “evolving.”
chamuiel
Why do you guys keep debating this idiot. It is obvious he just makes things up to harass you. Saying he is an idiot may be an understatement.
AZDon chamuiel
That can be corrected by additional modifiers; e.g. despicable idiot!
BobE RivahMitch ,
BoobE
If Zimmerman was all you say, Zimmerman would never have passed the F.B.I. background check to get a CHL (Concealed Hand gun license.)
Something you apparently know nothing about.
Apparently, the F.B.I. disagrees with your words.
I do also because they are incorrect, ignorant and racist.
BobE RivahMitch ,
Sorry BoobE I forgot.
Also the jury does not agree with you.
BobE RivahMitch From where do you get your facts. Do you know for sure that Zimmerman was “unstable”? was violent, alcoholic, or on medication? Please explain.
BobE RivahMitch Well, I know for sure I don’t want a candy assed sissy boy like you on mine!! You would be one of the dumb asses who watched as the entire neighborhood was robbed just because someone might accuse you of making the wrong decision by actually pointing your finger at the robber!
GrumpyOldMan BobE RivahMitch ,
Good one. BoobE would not point the finger if the robbers were black.
The Only Racist people in America is; Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton and their followers. We could all do without their input. They claim to be “Preachers'” but they are ‘Self Appointed’ IDIOTS… They are the ones that are “Racist” and America would be better off if they were KICKED off the Shores of The USA.
Ralph–How right! These men “preach” only hate! They have no regard for Trayvon Martin or his family–& THAT is a crime. They are taking advantage of this tragedy for their own purposes & are doing far more harm than good.
RalphStatum Why just kick these immoral corrupt racist terrorists out of the USA when we have the power to charge, convict, and execute their whole gene pool so that they can’t propagate the ignorance and terroristic agenda.
Get rid of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the Liberal National New sources who play hardball, and racism will end in America.
GeorgeEButtner Nice idea George: However racism will never end, for several reasons, but for sure we have arrived at the last days in World History, and for which the Bible CLEARLY states that there will be division “Ethnos against Ethnos” Brother against Brother, or plainly put Race against Race.
The main problem that MAN is inherently evil and that we live in a fallen World.
Again I would LOVE to get rid of the State run Media, Al (Not So Sharpton) and the Reverend Jessie (High) Jacksoooooon. What a disgrace.
This is NOT the lesser of 2 evils it is about a 1 party system and the people of this nation being played as fools. We have a 2 card Monty card trick that is being dealt to us. The criminals in Washington are playing ALL of us for the fools they think that we are. Will Rodgers, and Mark Twain, and others are historical icons that knew back then what was going on. There has been NO CHANGE, things have gotten worse. (Obviously)
Frank Zappa The reason there’s ONLY 1 national party is the GOP morphed from a political party into a cult of religious Kooks!
BobE Frank Zappa
Jesus Loves You BobE……
BobE Frank Zappa
What a joke BoobE – the religious kooks are found worshipping with the democrats – they belong to the church of mother earth and Marx they call themselves environmentalists, but that’s just a cover.
Always a Marine BobE Frank Zappa Correct me if I am wrong but was it NOT the Demoncats that Booed when the name of Christ when it was Mentioned at the party’s convention? And did they Not just do this once but several times?
SO in the event that this is true I would be lead to believe that the Demoncats are simply a tool for the Devil….Hummmmm Wonder what BoobEEE has to say about his precious “Party” Now……Regardless of your stand whatever it may be those who choose NOT to believe in a deity need Not act like children and Boo those who do.
ANYONE who wishes to be an “Atheist” or “Agnostic” I will endorse and NEVER stand in their way, whatever they choose. Fact is It takes just as much faith to be an Atheist as it does to believe that there is a God. Your right to choose is ultimately YOUR RIGHT.
That brings me to my point in that “The Road To Hell Is Paid With Good Intentions.” What you choose to believe and what you do will ultimately be where you end up at.
Frank Zappa Always a Marine BobE
Actually Frank – it was worse than that. Yes, they did boo God, and then they conducted a vote and passed the resolution that His Name would be removed from the Democrat Platform.
At that time, an official w/some clout realized how that would look during the campaign, and he came out and took over the microphone and railroaded the vote by conducting a false count. The un-American democrats still cried for God to be removed.
At that same meeting the attendees brandished placards calling for more abortions, and abortions to be conducted later.
I’ve been to meetings with the Dept. on Natural Resources where we lobbied to increased bag limits and longer seasons for deer, but I’ve never heard a crowd like this demanding no limits and no restrictions on killing babies.
Well, God doesn’t have to be voted out of the democrat party – He left them long ago when they decided to follow Marx.
BobE Frank Zappa It’s actually because wackos hijacked the Demon-cratic party and made it the Communist Party of the United States. Some Demon-crats, especially those in labor unions are so ignorant and stupid they would rather commit suicide than vote for any Republican. And then there are the really stupid Republicans that actually believe the advise the left gives them on how to win elections. These are called “RINO’s” John McLame and Ms. Lindsey Graham being chief among them.
We have become a nation of ignorant apathetic people being ruled by total stupid idiots. And you BoobiE are not only one of them, but enjoy your status of being both stupid and ignorant!
GrumpyOldMan BobE Frank Zappa , I talked to a union man once. I told him that unions were started and at one time they were influenced by communists.
He told me that unions had never been communist.
I really think some union members are not too bright
chamuiel GrumpyOldMan BobE Frank Zappa
Yes Unions are a communist based organization, but not only that, they had great power to influence the vote AND what else is that they used SEX to get what they wanted…..YUP
Unions also vote the party line, (Get it “Party Line” I.E. Demoncrats Chairman Hillary Clintong etc.) and that they are influenced by Mafia. NOT all Union members “Drink The KoolAid” and the practice of using Women as sex objects is not so prevalent these days but this did exist especially in communist block countries.
The ONLY saving grace that a union brings is that they keep wages high, and that they usually provide exceptional retirement programs. For average workers this is a benefit.
Your assertion that Union Members are not so bright…Well yes there are a few who tow the Party Line, having low information about the reality of life around them.
What I have seen with Unions NOW is that they are NOT for their members BUT they are in the deal for the money and could care less about membership.
chamuiel GrumpyOldMan BobE Frank Zappa
They still have connections w/ commie organizations, and they operate according to Marxist principles.
Now, Marxists, Commies, Socialists and democrats are “birds of a feather.” Look at the recent actions of Dear Leader, his subversive appointment to the NLRB, and corrupt relationships w/the unions during the elections.
They want to take away the secret ballot – why aren’t union members screaming about this? The lefties are always screaming about their “right to privacy” but as we see, it’s only when it suits them. This is for nothing more than intimidation.
Look at what they did in trying to stop Boeing from moving a new plant to S.C. – So much for a free market and individuals rights to move about the country and work where they want.
Look at the forced collection of dues (theft) from non-union members.
Then look at their use of mob violence – completely unAmerican, but very much from the Communist’s playbook.
There are dozens more examples of communism is alive and well in unions.
BobE Frank Zappa Yup Make that a double Inegron77. Jesus Love Ya BoobE.
Try and do some research and I am sure IF that you are “Intellectually Honest” You will indeed find that this country was founded by “Religious Kooks” as you put it. I get the signage above but I would urge you to reconsider before it is too late.
Option #2: You can choose to remain ignorant of the truth and suffer the consequence’s of your actions.
Frank Zappa BobE Our country was NOT founded by religious kooks
BobE Frank Zappa “I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ.”
–The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.
BobE Frank Zappa
BobE Jesus Loves You : )
BobE Frank Zappa
Our country was founded upon religious principles.
Jonh Adams once said “Show me a nation that has turned its eyes from God, and I will show you a nation that will not last long.
George Washington prayed all the time, including before going into battle.
Isn’t he considerted the Father of our Country.
BoobE, what proof do you offer of your assertions but your mouth?
chamuiel BobE Frank Zappa Yes this is correct….BoobE is an internet troll there to piss off most conservatives, perhaps if we ignore him he may go away, but don’t count on it.
zenock BobE Frank Zappa Excellent Me Too. Obviously Boobe has his X through the cross so he chooses to be an Atheist SO either we are correct in our belief OR he is. There WILL BE Judgment Day, and that day ALL will be revealed. No One Gets Away With ANYTHING.
Life is like a “Sand Castle” you go through the process of building it and in the end it gets washed away, ALL your earthly goods come to Naught. Whatever you do for the cause of Christ will last everything else is burned up, ALL the works of the flesh, All Gone.
BobE Frank Zappa Never stated that it was…..Perhaps it is a good idea to read the post again.
BobE Frank Zappa
Well, damn Boobe, I thought it was impossible for you to learn.
Now here you are exclaiming that our country was not founded by religious kooks. 100% correct! It was founded by patriots who were directed by a world and life view grounded in judeo/christian revelation.
Now, the next part you have to realize is that our country is being destroyed by the religious kooks of the left – the marxist environmentalists, the marxist crony capitalists, the marxist politicians, etc. All part of the democrat, progressive cult.
BobE Frank ZappaYou are correct BoobiE! Our Founders were not kooks. They were highly
educated world travelers who had studied what it was the caused other
“free” societies to fail. Unfortunately, it’s your fellow kooks that
are tearing the fabric of this nation apart, destroying it for freedom
loving people
BobE Frank Zappa BoobE, Jesus loves you (and so does Barney Franks).
BobE Frank Zappa So How about some examples besides just slamming the GOP and calling us who believe in God a cult and not only that but Kooks WOW Kooks that hurts BoobE…Ouch…What are we to do???
chamuielGrumpyOldManKathleenPedersensully64
Problem is the “non-votes” help the one who is most evil.
Republican evangelicals stayed away because they didn’t vote for the Mormon – that helped re-elect the Marxist.
Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 ,
if the Republicans are only going to run the republican establisment candidates, who always lose, then what difference does it make?
I want a candidate I can really get behind, not another RINO like McCain, or an obama lite like Romney.
I voted for both of tjhem
I have had the same argument with friends that you are trying to point out to me. I lost those friends who voted their conscience.
Strill, I have come to realize their conscience vote is more realistic than my voting for the lessor of two evils.
If the Republican establishment does not realize this, and correct it, then they may well never win another vote.
I had rather my vote be wasted upon a candidate I can believe in than waste it upon another middle of the road RINO, who is going to lose anyhow.
chamuiel Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 This is NOT Repubican vs. Deamoncat’s. This is about restoring the values that we had 50/60 years ago.
Q: Did we have school shootings back then?
Q: Did we have a Nation in Decline?
Q: Did we have abortion back then?
Q: Did we have “Gay Marriage”?
Just to name a FEW of the things WRONG with this country. THIS IS NOT PARTY AFFILATION, THIS IS NOT ABOUT “THE PARTY” It is about returning to our Christian heritage that we once had. FAILURE to do this one simple thing WILL RESULT in the continued downward death spiral of this country.
Think about this ONCE UPON A time we had “The Pledge of Allegiance, you know the phrase “One Nation Under God” Ya that Pledge. There were the 10 commandments, and NOT the 10 Suggestions. We used to have a Legal system and a court system that protected us, NOW that has changed. We used to buy Guns from a catalog with NO 10 day wait, so how come there are MORE crimes and MORE murders with all these new restrictions in place???
We as a nation have left and abandoned the very God that held ALL things in place and The God who formed this country under ODDS that were almost impossible to overcome Namely the British Navel fleet and the British Army which at the time were the MOST formidable Army in the World…..
Think about it…..ALL of your Universities “Yale” George Town, Etc. WERE formed by Christians, and a look back in history would prove this.
WHY are we falling, why as a Nation we are loosing our rights??? Simple: WE LEFT GOD, HE DID NOT LEAVE US…..Go Back, Go Back, Go Back, Before it is Too Late.
chamuiel Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 Rand Paul hates black people you should be able to get behind him!
BobE chamuiel Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 ,
BoobE I have seen no evidence that Rand Paul hates blacks. Nothing but your mouth.
I have not gotten behind Rand Paul because of his support for amnesty.
Rand does seem to do good in many ways, but not in that one.
Again, you have attempted to make my decisions for me.
chamuiel Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64
I understand how you feel, and I don’t fault you for voting according to your principles.
I haven’t been impressed w/ a repub. candidate since Goldwater and Reagan.
Even though I don’t like the RINOs and the establishment compromisers who won’t actually fight to defend the Constitution, my conscience won’t let me vote for a person I know who won’t win. So, I vote Republican, but I see it as a vote against the Marxists democrats.
Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 Two things. 1. “I know who won’t win”. Won’t never will, can’t never can. They “won’t” win because of the massive amount of negative thinking. “They can’t win so I won’t vote for them” times how many people equals defeat. The two party system counts on it. 2. How much good did your last two votes in national elections do? About the same as mine. Neither of our votes amounted to diddly.
Considering that both of the elections were illegal and ripe with fraud, I’m not sure any of it matters anyway in the end.
Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 On this we will disagree Marine. I didn’t want to vote for McLame in ’88. But I held my nose, bit my tongue and voted for him anyway because I knew what a disaster OBozo was going to be. He has exceeded my wildest expectations. When the Republican Elite forced Romney down my throat, I decided I was finished with that horse hockey. His religion had nothing to do with it. A very large block of voters were so disgusted with the way the Republican Party conducted itself in Tampa that they just refused to participate in the election at all. But PeeWee Prebutts still hasn’t gotten the message. Nor has that jerk Karl Rove or Sean Hannity for that matter. Republican Lite doesn’t get the votes. Sorry about that, but that’s the way it is.
Republicans have to find a candidate that is inspiring and legal if they want to win. The day of voting for the worst of two evils has sickened too many voters. We are tired of the pi$$ poor choices.
GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64
Their are PLENTY of republicans that are stupid enough & have 100% pure racist credentials for you to support
BobE GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64
Booby, Booby there you go again spewing the crap that comes from your warped head, such as it is. My advice to you is that you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself…….My own viewpoint of you is that YOU are certifiable. I hope that you can get your head around this, may be hard but try.
You still don’t get it about the “Party Affiliation” in that its all about “The Party,” Hey McFly wake up it is about this country it is about We The People NOT about the F’N party. This is the same liberal crap that comes out of Hittlary’s mouth. Wake UP Dummy.
BobE GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64
BobE Jesus Loves You : )
Frank Zappa BobE GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64
BoobE will not understand that he is certifiable.
Frank Zappa BobE GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64
That stuff doesn’t come from BoobE’s warped head.
May I direct your attention to the orifice below his belt?
Always a Marine Frank Zappa BobE GrumpyOldMan chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64 Does he have One??? This may be his problem!
BobE GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64 Really?? Can you name a couple for me? How about just one? One Republican who was a leader in the KKK. You constantly run your mouth but you almost never have anything to back it up. It’s why you look so stupid BoobiE.
It’s YOUR party, YOUR African Idol, who are the racists. You only attempt to portray what your inner feelings are on the rest of us.
GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64 The Repubican party as we know it is finished. As I have stated many times before we have a 1 party system, WHY: Congress has been and will be accountable to “The Corporation” and NOT to we the “Squeakle” Why? because The People have Failed to “Rise Up” against the Gangsters, ALL 535 of them. Get rid of them, ALL of them, then get rid of the special interest groups, right alone with the other criminals that are taking this country, specifically The United Nothing.
GrumpyOldMan Always a Marine chamuiel KathleenPedersen sully64
Well Grumps, I agree with everything you said. I didn’t (don’t) like McLame and Romney didn’t excite me. I get angry with the whole crowd. There are only a handful of repubs who will actually fight to preserve the Constitution. My Ga. senators are a constant disappointment, and my district finally got a true conservative Representative, but he’s going to leave to run for the Senate.
The last two elections my votes for the repubs were votes “against” the commie and the party of tyranny.
Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 You NIPSHITS really are IDIOTS!!! If ONLY we could get MORE angry white people to vote we’d win!!! I suppose it will take the GOP getting buried in a few more general election landslides before they even consider that the American people do NOT want Christian fascists (American Taliban) running the country
BobE Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64
BobE Jesus Loves You : )
BobE Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 ,
boobE Christians are not facists, nor American Taliban.
You always attempt to bolster your statements by more lies.
chamuiel BobE Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64
Chamuiel, you have to understand that when you don’t agree with little bobe he starts name calling. You know how children are.
BobE Jesus Loves the children aren’t you glad your one of them.
elnegron77 chamuiel BobE Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64
BoobE’s no different than any other leftist. That’s part of their tactic to cover their ignorance and hide the fact that they don’t acknowledge reality. It’s how they perpetuate their lies.
BobE Always a Marine chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64
It’s the left that’s angry BoobE – haven’t you seen OWS showing their butt? How about the marxist unions? Damn, even the commie teachers’ unions come close to acting like Attila the Hun. (100’s of examples). BoobE – you can’t run from the facts by trying to transfer your bad behavior to those who know you for who and what you are.
Now, as to your projections for the future – At some time the people who are feeling the burden of tyranny (the left always goes there), and they start feeling the pinch of a failed economy (haven’t you even been aware of the PIGS of Europe – or, like most dishonest lefties simple ignore reality), then one day, the sanity they buried to be part of the “in crowd” and the minds that they turned off to become part of the progressive movement, these people will wake up, smell the coffee and say, what a fool I’ve been to follow the pied pipers of the left and to swallow such a destructive lie.
BoobE – they all fail, sooner or later because liberalism is built on a lie and has a bankrupt ideology.
Always a Marine BobE chamuiel GrumpyOldMan KathleenPedersen sully64 Very well put!
Chamuiel—-I rented my house out to a black woman and her daughter who took care of a blind man. I was good to them and never thought about race—–but I was treated very badly when I went to check out my house. They told me I could stay there for a couple of days to save on a hotel room and did not need a car, only to be treated like I was a second hand citizen. Never once treated me kindly. Did not give me a blanket for my bed, did not offer any food, when I told them I would even pay them for it, and then moved out in the middle of the night stealing about 7K worth of my belongings. Said they were Christians when they moved in and I believed them. WHO WAS RACIST IN THIS MATTER? i AM A WHITE SENIOR FEMALE, WIDOWED AND DID NOT DESERVE THIS TREATMENT. BLACKS WILL HOLD THINGS AGAINST WHITE PEOPLE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM HATE US FROM YEARS BACK WHEN WE HAD “NOTHTING” TO DO WITH SLAVERY. I AM SICK OF THEM PLAYING THE “RACE” CARD. PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
zimmermantrial , I agree you did not deserve this treatmen, and were simply used by these black people.
I am not sure why you chose to tell me this.
I…I…sorry, I am stuttering….I am sooo sorry that happened to you. Am I surprised? No….God Bless You and Keep You Safe in the days to come.
Again, I am so sorry that happened. I have an entire file full of events in my life dealing with them…errr uh, HAVING to deal with the blatant violent, and/or toxic racism against whites
When I was in graduate School at Texas A&M. M.S. in Counseling: During the very first test during the first Semester, I noticed that all of the teachers getting (including Black Teachers) their M.S. in School Counseling were sitting at the back of the room with their books open during a test asking each other “what page was that answer on?” They didn’t care we could hear them. They “were allowed to cheat openly”.
Then, of course, there was Advanced Psychology. AGAIN, they had their books out in plain sight; and no one said a word. The ONLY people who weren’t allowed to cheat were those getting a M.S. in either Psychology or Counseling AND WHITE.
We had to, of course, write a term paper for the final grade. After the Counseling students handed their papers in EARLIER than those studying for their Masters in School Counseling, , the Professor asked a couple of us to help him grade them.
I was absolutely shocked! Their papers read like a kid in the 7th or 8th grade wrote them. I know we were told to go easy on them…and we did try. We handed them back to the Professor. EVEN though we did go easy on them, their writing style and content was infantile. There were a few black teachers who did work on a term paper but it was very infantile writing and understanding of the subject matter at hand.
He thanked us, and had to go over the papers again to cut them EVEN MORE slack… so they could pass the course.
BobEAlways a MarineUpaces
Cry me a river. Do the crime, do the time.
Yes today you need a “Playbook” to understand these freaks, and I agree IF that we fail to return to conservative roots “GOD AND COUNTRY” then we WILL Loose this country. DO NOT BE SURPRISED IF Nobama issues an Executive order banishing term limits and gets re-elected. If that you think he will willingly leave “The Black House” Think Again. MoooooocHell really likes spending tax payer revenue, and King Obama likes the Vacations, golf games, basketball and the Vail Ski resorts, at about 8 to 10 mill a pop. The last Moderate President in recent time that was worth a Damn was Kennedy, who loved the girls, and loved the skirts. There are others but they have been few and far between. Reagan was a close to a true Republican as this country has had in decades, with ALL of his imperfections, and mistakes that he made. Reagan gave me MORE than less that I wanted SO Reagan killed Mr. Peanut in the elections. By the way when is Mr. Peanut going to go away, or die whichever comes first???
Yes:
The answer is relatively simple:
Gods Word States Clearly “IF My People Who Are Called By My Name Will humble Themselves Before Me And Seek My Face THEN WILL I HEAR FROM HEAVEN AND HEAL THIER LAND.” This country was formed by God and Men that sought the face of God. Remember We rag tag Farmers Beat the Britt’s, and their Army, and Navy. This only happened by the providence of God. There are historical facts supporting what I state. This is NOT about Party affiliation, this is NOT about our current form of Government or lack thereof but it is that WE have left the very God that formed this country. This is WHY we have the MORON, KING OBOZO who thinks that he IS the Second Coming. He is nothing short of Scum.
Our ONLY Hope to stay the hand of judgment on this land is to turn back to God….Obama is a moron and simply repeats what he hears. The example of his Brain Dead statement that “We Are No Longer A Christian Nation.” is only partially correct but this is what he has been told. He simply Parrots what he hears and does not really acquaint himself with facts.
Judgment IS coming to this country SOON. Our last ditch effort is to turn to God, to forestall his judgment. Abortion, “Gay Marriage”, are just symptoms of a larger problem that we have here in this country. Without this country turning back to God we are done, put the fork in us, its over. Things may be ok now but I assure you they will not stay this way. Dems. / Repub. there is no difference, they both are working for Corporate America and NOT We The People. We have been corrupted from within, therefore it WILL take a move of God to fix this country. I am as serious as a Heart Attack on this issue.
England will fall first then this country will follow because WE came from England. God does things in order this is THE reason for England first. WE as a country will continue to have devastating weather, as well as natural disasters one being worse than the next recent memory was Oklahoma and the tornado that was about a mile plus wide, and NEVER have we had this large of a tornado EVER.
Voting for the next Washington Criminal is NOT the answer. When the Top Government official are corrupt the next guy that tells you he will fix it all is simply not true. Politicians want one thing and one thing only, and that is to get re-elected, NOT to fix the problems of this country. The cash and the corruption is simply too hard to resist for politicians that have NO Morality. Look at what has happened with Anthony Weiner and his deal sending pictures of his W***ner, now he wants to be the next Mayor for New York??? Really he wants back in???. Then other politicians that are drunk on power, and on it goes.
If Zimmerman had been a woman being raped by Martin and she had pulled a gun and shot Martin, would you all be saying, “Oh, well, she should not have been out at night alone, walking in that area. She made a mistake, but the jury was right to find her not guilty of murder.”
Of course not! That would be “blaming the victim.” So, why is the mantra now all about how Zimmerman allegedly made a mistake and brought about his own victimization?????
The race baiting media does so, not out of conscience, but just to stir up trouble so they have news. While I believe in free speech, the MSM needs castigated for their actions….even prison. They need to be more responsible and allow the legal system to do it’s job without undue influence.
The state prosecuting attorney put George Zimmerman’s videoed statements and walk-through into evidence trying to prove a case against GZ; their own witnesses ended up agreeing with GZ’s statements and showing that Trayvon approached GZ’s car twice when it was parked at two locations . Rachel heard Trayvon twice say he was behind his daddy’s house. He had to return to the T to approach GZ. GZ didn’t need to take the stand.
kmilliorn
I’m
sorry but protecting the right to life and defending traditional
marriage are grounded in philosophies and practices that extend far
beyond the interests of just religion.
Beyond religion is
“self-preservation” and the realization (based on centuries of practice)
that the preservation of life and the family has contributed to the
health of societies around the world over time.Protecting the
lives of unborn babies and working toward strengthening our culture and
protecting children in that culture can’t be considered “meddling”
unless there’s an illegitimate (or simply novel, or cause of the moment)
agenda.
Always A Marine–A political party that defines itself by strictly-defined, religiously-based principles will be small, cohesive, but lose elections because it does not speak to the broader electorate or address the major problems that are facing the nation. FISCAL conservatism is what this country is most in need of right now. When all those overseas dollars come home to roost (now that more & more countries are turning from using the dollar as the trade standard) what kind of inflation do you think we will see? Unless the Republican Party gets off its high horse & gets realistic, the people who have LIED & told us there is NO inflation will put Hillary in the White House in 2016 & the dollar will be worth half what it is today, at best!
kmilliorn
I don’t know any party that defines itself by strictly-defined, religiously-based principles.
I’ll agree, fiscal conservatism is greatly needed, but a greater need is staring us in the face: tyranny and socialism. Unless we get back to honoring and implementing the Constitution it won’t really matter. Our treasury could be overflowing, but without liberty a fat wallet won’t mean much.
Marine–You are so right! Our treasury is overflowing with worthless money & those who work are being enslaved to pay for the new “leisure class”.
kmilliorn How can the dollar be half of what it is “worth” today? Half of zero is still zero. There is no intrinsic value in what comes off Bernanke’s printing press today.
I agree that the Republican Party, if it wants to win elections has to stand up for constitutional principles and leave “family values” to the local governments. There is just too much variation to make moral judgments and campaign on them. And Marriage isn’t a value. It’s a definition. It’s been the same for thousands of years. One can oppose changing the definition without making a judgement call on peoples private behavior.
Two other things that need to be done for Republicans to have a chance in 2014 and 2016 is to get rid of PeeWee Prebutts from the RNC, and get rid of Karl Rove!.
Grumpy–All I can tell you is that my spouse spent considerable time running the retirement numbers yesterday, looking at trade data, who is no longer using the dollar as a trade basis, etc. when all those dollars out there ” come home” & Bernanke prints a few more, what we had budgeted for the next 10 years will probably pay for half what we’d expected. That is, if the entire system doesn’t collapse under its own weight.
The Republican & Democrats had better address these problems & forget the social agendas or there will be no country to run.
kmilliorn Let me phrase it this way, and I don’t disagree with you BTW. The U.S. Dollar is based on an illusion, nothing more. The U.S. Dollar has nothing backing it except “the full faith in government”. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I pretty much lost any “faith” in government with Lyndon B. Johnson. Nixon closed the “gold” window and once that was done our form of currency became as worthless as Parker Bros. Monopoly money.
When the U.S. economy collapses (note I didn’t say if) what is this paper supposed to be worth? Who is going to honor it? If you don’t own foreign currency and/or “hard” assets, your world is going to be destroyed. Which takes us back to the lying politicians discussion. Bernanke IS a politician on a world stage.
kmilliorn
My
take differs from yours. Having been a republican (past tense) up to
66 years of age, there’s no way I can agree that it is a religious
institution. (God would disavow knowing them).
As
I see it, what is lacking are simple things – patriotism to help them
identify with an agenda that would defend the Constitution and our
rights.
Added to that: cojones to do what’s right.
Marine–I WAS a Republican, too, until they decided that their major goals should be to try to tell folks how to live, rather than trying to run the country well.
johnnywoodsAlways a Marinev steve
My
point was simple – Southerners weren’t willing to discard their view
that slaves were “property.” That would have threatened their economy.
Rather
than recognize the equality of all men, they were willing to secede.
That’s what I mean by “driving a wedge between people.”
That happened as I said, long before Lincoln had a position of power to drive any wedges.One other aspect – Relegating people to the status of “property” takes “driving wedges” to a whole new level.
BobEGrumpyOldManBHBF
BoobE, when all else fails, try the “absurd” card and intimate that’s the position of your opponent.You can’t do anything unless it’s dishonest can you?
BobEDennisDesOrmeauxBHBF
Now
see BoobE, once again you reveal your inferior character by commenting
on what you deem the important JOB of protecting people and property
from criminals to be.
All that comes into your frame of reference
is that they’re engaged in some sort of juvenile, self-serving
activity. That’s where your mind and character operate.Not
surprisingly, you can’t see that there are men who will do what’s right,
men and women who have a sense of community and an orientation to serve
their neighbor and act responsibly.
Always a Marine BobE DennisDesOrmeaux BHBF Why does anyone respond to BobE???
lorlan4 Always a Marine BobE DennisDesOrmeaux BHBF
Perverted sense of humor – it’s fun to needle him.
lorlan4 Always a Marine BobE DennisDesOrmeaux BHBF
I’ll confess to a sick sense of humor – it’s fun to needle him.
I just said I agree with the Zimmerman vedict.
I was just told I was a racist.
When did standing for justice and the American way become racist?
Chamuiel–Unfortunately, when you did not ignore the trial verdict or the findings of the extensive FBI investigation, & instead fall in line with the “civil rights” activists, like Sharpton, Jackson, & the NAACP to yell, “Justice for Trayvon!” It’s not rational. It’s not even ABOUT “Justice for Trayvon”. And it certainly is NOT about civil rights!
kmilliorn Either way, I am not rioting about it.
chamuiel Oh, that happened a long time ago It was reinforced and reinvigorated in 2008. Did you miss the campaigning and elections?.
GrumpyOldMan chamuiel
I tried to miss Obama’s lies in 2008, and 2012.
however, I was not successful.
chamuiel GrumpyOldMan I was being sarcastic. The only way to miss the campaigns was to climb into a cave and pull a giant boulder up behind you. And anyone who did that is probably better off than the rest of us.
chamuiel
That started when Dear Leader was elected and the progressive democrats came into power.
Good men don’t abuse power – Dear Leader and the dems do. With power, the libtards have become bold and feel they can be obnoxious without consequence.
Always a Marine chamuiel
Dear Leader/
Should we call obama, li’l kim?
chamuiel Always a Marine
I like the “lil Kim” handle, but I’m afraid it would just add to the confusion. Right now he’s “Travon.”
Always a Marine chamuiel ,
I was referring to obama, but try this one.
How about “trademark?” (trayvon)
That is what his momma did with his name.
chamuiel I couldn’t care less about the color of the participants, what I do care about is justice and when they took George to trial I was very worried about how certain people might be able to stack the deck. I do not think they had sufficient evidence and they knew they didn’t have sufficient evidence. Life goes on for everyone except the Zimmerman family. Is there a website out there where we could send them money to help? If not, there should be.
mjz4043 chamuiel They are victims of tyranny and terrorism. They certainly should be compensated for what they were put through. Gov. Scott is personally responsible for this travesty as he (admitted to) seeking out a prosecutor willing to take the case. Almost everyone in the legal community knew there was no case, so they were turning it down.
So Scott, cough up some money. Oh, and you will not be getting my vote in any future elections.
mjz4043 chamuiel
I agree with you it should never have gone to trial. But I also know what it is like to loose a child, I lost my son when he was 19. Believe me life does not go on for Tryvon’s family. I just hope that all those that are making this a race issue would leave them alone, they are hurting enough. My prayers go out to them.
elnegron77mjz4043,
I lost a son to Cancer just last year.
So, please do not attempt to lecture me about losing a child.
However, I did not trademark my son’s name as did Trayvons Mother so I could make money off of it.
By being that selfish and greedy, I am sorry, but I do not have any compassion for a Mother who would attempt to make money off their dead child’s name, and also negoiating a book and T.V. movie deal as Trayvon’s Mother is doing.
Life must be going on for Trayvon’s Mother as she is already counting some of the money.
I see her tears as fake, intended to draw sympathy and more money for her.
Also trayvon’s Father was a member of the Crip’s, of the Crip’s and Blood fame.
Did he ever once think about what membership in such a gang would do to his son?
chamuiel elnegron77 mjz4043
chamuiel, I never tried to lecture you, please read my post again. I don’t agree with Tryvon’s parents capitalizing on their sons deaf, but as a person that has lost a child you know that that wound goes very deep. As for their actions, they will have to live with that the rest of their lives. I apologize if I offended you in any way and my condolences on your lost.
elnegron77, chamuiel –Heartache for your losses–lost 2 before they could be born (they’d be in their 20’s now) & it still hurts. I cannot imagine how much worse it is when you know them as real people. Peace & prayers.
kmilliorn
Thank You
elnegron77 mjz4043 chamuiel And I agree about not going to trial, but, sadly Treyvon apparently did not a good family life. Like many more, he was in trouble and his Mother had sent him to be with his Dad during his school suspension, a Dad who lived at his girlfriends house. Many of these kids only have friends for guidance, because their parents are too busy or do not care. I wish they had cared more, before that night.
lorlan4 elnegron77 mjz4043 chamuiel
With Racheal Jeantell as one of those friends, Trayvon was still in trouble.
chamuiel lorlan4 elnegron77 mjz4043 chamuiel, I think we should rename Rachael Jeantel to Racial Jeantel.
lorlan4 elnegron77 mjz4043 chamuiel
AHHHHH The layers of the Onion are starting to peel off, so will the real Trayvon please stand up….So he was having family problems, so therefore he was looking for validation from his “Boyhood” to Manhood by attempted Murder of Zimmerman. NOW this seems to be more in order that I had suspected that Martin had been up to ALL ALONG……
chamuiel elnegron77 mjz4043 Chamuiel, I lost 2 of my own and when I hear the word Cancer, I have found a place that likely has a cure for cancer, although LEGALLY I can’t use the word cure, because the Medical Mafia will hunt me down and sue me / Big Pharma. But I could use a word like remission, just to be on the safe side.
The Crips & Bloods…This is just getting better by the minute….Gee do ya think that Trayvon was up to no good???
ANY Parent that looses a child goes through a lot of pain…No Joke, even if the kid was a Gang Banger.
elnegron77 chamuiel mjz4043 , You did not offend me.
With Trayvon’s Mother that pain went away after she saw the green.
kmilliorn I guess I was lucky in a way. My son was 32 when he died last June.
lorlan4 elnegron77 mjz4043 chamuiel
His third School suspension of the year.
Frank Zappa chamuiel elnegron77 mjz4043
In the case of Trayvon’s mother, her grief seems to be lessened with money.
chamuiel–I’m glad you got to know him when he was old enough to be both a son & a friend, but cannot imagine losing either of my sons who are 30 & 27. I am so very sorry! I hope you have a good store of great memories.
Frank Zappalorlan4elnegron77mjz4043chamuiel
Trayvon’s tweets
http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/obamas-son-20-disgusting-tweets-from-trayvon/
mjz4043 chamuiel Obozo has lit the fuse for race riots by his comment'(s) he made on Friday. The DOJ is still looking for their pound of flesh from Zimmerman, Remember George went from being “Hispanic” To a “Whitey” NOT that this makes a whole lot of difference but to the News Media it does. No one calls the PIG in the White House “Whitey” “Blackie” He considers himself “Black” first and foremost and the “Whitey” part of his heritage he would just assume forget. In reality Obozo is NOT our first “Black President.” Just think 1 Condom could have prevented Barack Hussein Obozo…..
Ovomit is doing his level best to polarize this country and drive a wedge between races, BECASE this is what he learned from his pastor over the last 20 plus years of his life that he states he “Doesn’t Remember.” (More Lies, More Deception)
While I may be White in color my dad was NOT, neither were my brothers and sisters, so I have been and seen across the broad spectrum of “The Look” the sneers and you name it. So for Obozo to spew out of his mouth what he stated on Friday was NOTHING compared to what will eventually happen in this country that is on its present course.
We will likely revert back to the days of “The Watts Riots” of the 60’s and on into the 70’s. MOST likely protesters have half the story “If That” some simply need a reason to just protest because they are simply poor and have nothing else to do.
Our court system is all that we have, with ALL their imperfections. Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges, by a Jury of his peers found him NOT GUILTY….End of story. I still “Stand My Ground” and INSIST Martin was looking for trouble and found it, and that he was nothing short of a Gang Banger PUNK. REGARDLESS OF COLOR. The story goes something like this, when seconds count the COPS are ALWAYS minutes away. George was getting the crap kicked out of him and NO ONE helped. Today in this sick World people just watch, take pictures, or make videos to put on U Tube for a sensational story.
Where is the justice for the Black Lady who fired a “Warning Shot” at her boyfriend / husband and got 20 years….Who knows. IF that were me and I even thought I would do 20 years, it would be DEATH for the Boyfriend / Husband…By Bullet in the brain. No witnesses is ALWAYS the best way to go.
Last but certainly not least, where was the justice for ALL the other Black, White, Hispanic, and what ever color kids that were killed just last night??? WHERE is their “National Attention”???
For Obozo this is just another political plug for the commander and THIEF….In a matter of 6 months Ovomit has blown more cash than MOST of us will ever make in a lifetime…..Hail King Obama…..I could go on for hours about how this PIG has RIPPED OFF this country. Ovomit hates our Military, you know the people who keep him safe. Can’t tell you how much damage he (The Pig) has done to our Nation, and we won’t know until he leaves….IF HE DOES.
Frank Zappa
chamuiel
Frank,
I agree.
Frank Zappa mjz4043 chamuiel Frank, I think you may be misunderstanding OBoz’s mental state. He grew up 1st with a mother who had no self respect. Then he was shipped off to his maternal grand parents, who were probably the reason his mother had no self respect. All of them were avowed Communists and registered as such. OBozo, just like the rest of us, really doesn’t know who his father is. So he idolized and adopted the Communist that went to school in Hawaii, and returned to Kenya to an appointment high up in the Kenyan government.
He was officially adopted by Mr. Soetoro, raised Muslim, enrolled in school as a citizen of Indonesia. His passport records, like his birth certificate are nowhere to be found. He traveled to countries his U.S. passport, had he had one, wouldn’t let him in. There is no record of his legal entry into the US after Indonesia. His education records have all been sealed, his very first executive order.
He hates his mother for sleeping around with Blacks, which made it impossible for him to be White regardless of the fact that by percentages he is more white than black. He is also partly Arab, based on who he states his father is. With all of this, it shouldn’t be surprising he hates the White race. His mother sentenced him to the life of “a colored person” when if she had just been a common wh0re within her own race, he could have been White too.
GrumpyOldMan Frank Zappa mjz4043 chamuiel Yup, The Word Wh0re is good or depending in what community you come from H0 works for me as well.
Just think how history would have changed if she insisted her Man Ho used a condom, then we would not have a Barry Soetoro.
As for the race issue I am sure the hatred for O’l Whitey wont stop anytime soon.
Frank Zappa GrumpyOldMan mjz4043 chamuiel That is sort of another hint. He pushes abortion all the way up through live birth or “partial birth” abortions. Had his mother only had the same beliefs when she was carrying him!
GrumpyOldManMaranatha_Markkmilliorn
I think you’ve about covered it Grumps
The statistics in the first paragraph are astounding. But what is more astounding is that the media, Sharpton, Jackson and Holder have captured one of those events in their crosshairs and won’t let it go. It is really frustrating to watch the reporting on TV and see the items that the agenda driven media chooses to focus on – for their own personal, political and career advancement. These selfish reporters are not reporting, they are inciting violence, they are provoking riots, they are inducing more racial incidents. This hasn’t been about Trayvon or George – it’s been about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, Barack Obama and many other black people who’s racial tendencies have been rekindled and/or provoked. Nothing good is going to come from any of this – not from any gun control, not from any revoking of the ‘stand your ground law’, not from racial provocation or incitement. The division is growing daily.
JoyJ–And now Obama has come out & thrown gasoline on the conflagration by talking about all his own experiences with “racism”, thus validating the complaints of Sharpton, Jackson, & (allegedly) the street punks who have been using the trial outcome as an excuse to riot. With all the “vigils”/protests scheduled for tomorrow, whose fault will it be when the riots break out?
kmilliorn
They want to start a conflagration. They’re cunning as wolves and as slippery as snakes.
Dear Leader speaks like butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth, but he knows how to work up foment. He’s a horrible leader, but a great subversive community organizer.
Marine–Unfortunarely, you are right. Even after the elections, he has never stopped campaigning–the only question is: campaigning for WHAT?
kmilliorn
To establish the State.
100 years ago the dems trashed the Declaration and the Constitution. Ever since they’ve worked tirelessly to destroy more and more of the Constitution, our form of gov’t and our rights and replace liberty with socialism.
That agenda has been put on fast forward.
Cloward-Piven on steroids.
Begneli
Exactly Right! and with a healthy dose of Alinsky.
Always a Marine kmilliorn
So speaking of liberals has anyone heard from Bobbie? I am sure that he would have been excited about what his Lord and master Obozo had to say about his boy “Martin.”
Obozo went on to encourage Black America to riot in the streets. How nice
Frank Zappa Always a Marine kmilliorn ,
Boobe hits a message board for three or four days, spreads his poison, and then runs to the next one. The last one he was on before this one, he was explaining why he supports abortion, and talking about how he is an Atheist.
I am sure we will all run into him again, BoobE is like the proverbial roach.
No matter how much you try, he just keeps popping up out of the woodwork.
Always a Marine kmilliorn
community agitator.
kmilliorn
Yup: Mr. Race Baiter himself….What the *F* does he have to do with day to day operations in the private sector??? A Murder Trial gone bad, their prime target has moved out of range so NOW the “Holder Department” is going to attempt to go after Zimmerman.
He can’t run the country so NOW he is inciting the Black community to riot….Well Guess what….Just give them a reason to riot, Katie Bar the door because here we go, Good Job Obozo Keep up the hatred it will make you a King one day….
I am reminded by The Scripture that stated “A House Divided Against itself cannot stand.” God Help us ALL.
kmilliorn I’m not sure Obama ever really experienced any of these “racism” experiences. He talks a good talk. Racism in America is so much less of an issue than it was 60 years ago. And yet, Obama, Holder, Sharpton, Jackson and many of the CBC and celebs are trying their best to convince America that black people are still suppressed. The suppression is many times their own fault because of their lack of motivation and ambition and their laziness and desire to have the government to take care of them.
The fact that Obama opened his mouth and said all the wrong things in order to fuel the fires of racism. These ‘self important’ people want the racism to continue, at least in the minds of the black people. Obama made the comment about his (supposed) experiences as a young man of people locking their doors as he and his group of friends walked by – well, he didn’t say what neighborhood that was in. And I will lock my doors if I see any group of young men walking my direction regardless of the color of their skin!!!
JoyJ–You are probably right–Obama is a master politician who calculates every word & its effect. (I’ve seen only one word out of place in 5 years–when he did the “Google chat & said his administration was “not transparent”! His Friday appearance was no “surprise”, nor was it impromptu. It would have been too obvious to go to the NAACP & too remote from today’s marches, so yesterday was chosen. It was a direct speech to his black voter base. (BTW–Does he really expect us to believe he has such good hearing he can hear doors being locked at a distance? REALLY? How stupid/gullible does he think we are? Oh, wait–he wasn’t talking to US!)
kmilliorn Obama is an accomplished orator who rarely makes mistakes unless he is off the teleprompter. He expects his blind followers to believe any and every word that comes out of his mouth so when he speak to them, he is speaking to the choir and is just loving the sound of his own voice and the praises from those blind followers. He expects all Americans to believe every word that he speaks which is foolish on his part….my policy is, if a Democrat is speaking, the words are lies.
kmilliorn You give him too much credit. He’s nothing but a wooden headed dummy that speaks the words his puppeteer or ventriloquist provide for him. Normally through a teleprompter. Or you could think of the Wizard of Oz. The image in no way resembled the guy behind the curtain. OBozo doesn’t either.
Joy J kmilliorn
By having the Government take care of them, isn’t that like reparations?
kmilliorn Have you not yet noticed that OBozo, Clown-In-Chief, does not comment unless the first and last part begins with “I”. It’s about HIM, not Martin, not Zimmerman, but about OBozo. How it affects OBozo. Absolutely nothing else matters. The sun rises and sets on OBozo. I wish it would just set.
Grumpy–Yeah–He continues to campaign….
GrumpyOldMan kmilliorn
That’s as it should be. The Obamabots live vicariously through their emperor and demi-god. They need to be reassured and encouraged.
I’m only surprised he didn’t give the speech on “Entertainment Tonight.”
“There is nothing more painful to me at
this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start
thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel
relieved.” – Jesse Jackson
Highlights from 20 Years (1973 to 1992)
of Surveying Crime Victims
”…Blacks thus committed
7.5 TIMES more violent inter-racial crimes than whites even though the black
population is only one-seventh the size of the white population. When these
figures are adjusted on a per capita basis, they reveal an extraordinary
disparity: Blacks are committing more than 50 TIMES the number of violent racial
crimes of whites.”
FBI’s crime figures for 2007 “Blacks committed 433,934 violent crimes against
whites, EIGHT TIMES as many as the 55,685 that whites committed against
blacks.”
Winghunter–And not one peep about ANY of those deaths by the “civil rights” mavens!
Winghunter
Winghunter you shouldn’t have done that. Now you’ve created extra work for the libs – truth and facts they have to dodge, ignore, provide diversions for, etc.
NBC Fires
Producer For Splicing Audiotape (That made Zimmerman sound like a racist)
NBC, ABC & CBS (among others) ignore, block
out/hide or just cut out the video clip showing the officer inspecting the back
of Zimmerman’s head while at police station in order to make the false claim,
“Look, no injuries!’
Obama, SPEAKING NATIONALLY about poor Travyon yesterday,
excused a black trouble maker and has set back America’s Race relations 50
years making the RACE separation even larger.Between Obama, Holder, the NAACP, Jackson and slippery tongue Sharpton
and all the political idiot’s that wore a hoodie, you all are as prejudice as
the KKK if not worse.You use your fellow
black’s misery for your PERSONAL gain.KEEP
YOUR BIG BLACK NOSES OUT OF LOCAL LEGAL DECISIONS.The Police & most Lawyers said there is
no case, The Judicial System with a jury of Peers found Zimmerman NOT GUILTY,
BUT a Black President and a Black
Attorney General caving in to the BLACK MINORITY 14% of Americans, have to take
a BLACK POSITION not a legal position or even a conciliatory position.WHERE IS OUR NATIONAL LEADERSHIP?That could have been me is PATHETIC???Our Indian brothers named Obama “Walking
Eagle”, translation “Bird so full of POOP it cannot fly”.The above are using the race card against a
white man (in their eyes) to be hung for killing a, big, drug using, in trouble,
fighting, trouble making, thrown out of the house, self-proclaimed, “Bad ass
NI66ER” showing pot & guns on the internet.Regardless, Trayvon started it by throwing the first punch, CASE
CLOSED.Now, who is burning, breaking,
hurting innocents, stealing, BLACKS!When
you step up into a man’s world, people fight back & PEOPLE DEFENDING
THEMSELVES will kill you for real.
Bushmaster0369
Excellent Comment: My personal favorite is “Walking Eagle” Fits Ovomit perfectly. I have always respected “The American Indian” They to me are the Real America and in many cases they know far more than they let on.
Pathetic is another great descriptor for the Commander N Thief. He has NO morals so he must be a thief.
You bring yet another excellent point in that WE the public NEVER heard of Martins “Face Book Activities” or his other E Mail antics that may have been important in the Zimmerman case. I really do wish to know what Martin was up to prior to Zimmerman. Maybe Zimmerman was his “I’AM A MAN” initiation before he got the chance to join his PUNK buddy boys…….Interesting
Bushmaster0369 Just look at the list of people here…what do they all have in common? RACE.
Speaking of IQ you take your time to whip up a snarky two liner that adds nothing to the conversation.
MatthewJacobs
Trayvon’s tweets.
http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/obamas-son-20-disgusting-tweets-from-trayvon/
I find it outrageous that the one Female Jurist stated that they COULD NOT find Zimmerman had did anything wrong, yet they STILL WANTED TI GET ZIMMERMAN FOR SOME-THING. Now this to me is very Scary and should be to every American. You ARE NOT GUILTY, “YET” the Jury wants to find you GUILTY of SOME-THING just because.
Americans who have are have not been caught-up in our Justice System, you ARE GUILTY according to the Judge and even Juries because you were Arrested. Grand Juries are Rubber-Stamped Juries to Start with. The State, not you, but the State can make-up anything and tell it to the Grand Jury, and the Grand Jury says, “OK, he are she were Arrested for some reason, so let the Courts figure it out. So INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY “is a lie”.
JimmieKing The first clue that this was a rigged game against Zimmerman was that they never even convened a Grand Jury. And the common saying is that with a Grand Jury, where the Defense has no opportunity to say or present any evidence, that prosecutors can convict a ham sandwich with the Grand Jury system. Apparently the prosecution knew there was nothing there, and that’s why a Grand Jury was never called. But let’s just keep that a secret.
GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing Some states don’t require a grand jury. Florida must be one of them.
mjz4043 GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing No it isn’t “required”, but I can’t think of another case off hand in which one wasn’t convened in a criminal case where a life was taken if there was any evidence at all for the State to present.
GrumpyOldMan mjz4043 JimmieKing Nevertheless, they would not have presented this to a grand jury because it would have been thrown out…NO EVIDENCE. They were forced to go thru with this trial and finally found a prosecutor who would take it on.
mjz4043 GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing
Aside from the grand jury not convened, we have the issue of the investigating officers conclusion being overridden, and the governor pushing for an indictment. Then we saw that the objections were met by dismissal of the investigators, and then forcing the D.A. to find prosecutors, etc.
Always a Marine mjz4043 GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing But, as usual, the insane, ignorant *powers that be* in this country had to keep pushing and encouraging protests until the State of Florida caved in. There was no evidence and Florida knew it. Check this out when the races are reversed:
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/07/18/white-people-rioting/
Always a Marine mjz4043 GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing I’m sick and tired of the Show Hosts, mainly CNN News Bigoted Personal Opinion Shows, calling Mr. True and Good American George Zimmerman a Murderer after the facts he is a Hero for killing a Wanting To Be Punk Thug Burglar and Drug Using and Want To BE if he wasn’t, a Dealer. The Bible says “Those who shade INNOCENT (Mr. Zimmerman’s) BLOOD, must be put to Death by the shading of their BLOOD. ”
If Mr. Zimmerman was out to Kill the Criminal Martin, he would have Fired at least 3-Shots into Martin’s Chest as all the Concealed Handgun Carry Permit Trainer tell you to do in-order to stop the Threat.” Also, “you are told to ALWAYS keep a Bullet Chambered and ready to Fire. Anyone who was in that Court Room including the Judge if she more than likely Carries a Handgun for HER PERSONAL PORTECTION carries a Bullet Chambered. Anyone of those who say they don’t, are either a LAIR are a Complete FOOL. But more than likely, they are LAIRS.
mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing Thank you, to be honest, I never heard of this Story before. It is a shame, but that is what Justice has come to in these United States.
I have a Problem with Trayvon Martin’s Mother Carrying God’s Word (the Bible) with her and her Claiming to be a Christian. Yet she is going AGAINST God and His Word. As for Trayvon Martins age. I understood he turned 17 years old 21-days before he made his Fatal Mistake. Trayvon Martin’s Dad lied when he said Trayvon had NEVER been in Trouble, and the only reason Trayvon hadn’t been Arrested when he should have been twice at School and Once when he was in a Fight he had Video Taped. Martin was on his 3rd. Suspension from School and it was only February (?) I do not believe you can say your son had never been in trouble and call it telling the Truth. Also Mr. Martin LIED on the Witness Stand, but let us let him off, I mean he just lost his son while in the commission of committing a Crime.
I feel sorry for the Martin’s for the loss of their son, but I feel more son for someone who loss their son are daughter in an auto Accident that wasn’t their fault. “There is an Appointed Time To Die, and THEN Comes The Judgment.” But a person can cause their own Death before their appointed time to die, but still there then comes their Judgment.
mjz4043 GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing Yes and thank you. I had not even heard of this Case before until I had just received it from someone on here. You want to really see many a many Black on White ordeals and un-Reported by our so-called News Reporting Medias and Covered-up by Police Departments to smooth things over. Go to http://www.WND.com and look at their LONG-LONG List.
People make big mistakes in this and other Countries when they go after the INNOCENT instead of the Guilty Person(s) who should be the only Target(s). If it is your neighbor your after, go after your neighbor, not the People in a Parking Lot some place. If it is your Boss, go after your Boss, not everyone working there. The same goes for Political Leaders, etc. To do other wise, is being stupid and un-called for. The same goes for all the Dark Colored Skinned People at their and their Fearful PINK Colored SKINNED Followers and Supporters. Now when it comes to Groups and Gangs, then “ALL” are Guilty and therefore they have made themselves Open and Legal Targets to a Common Sense having Person(s).
JimmieKingmjz4043Always a MarineGrumpyOldMan,,,
Travon’s tweets.
http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/obamas-son-20-disgusting-tweets-from-trayvon/
chamuiel JimmieKing mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan Though the Biased and Defendant Hater So-Called Judge would not allow the Truth in this RIGGED pitiful Case. If George Zimmerman wants to live here in these Hills where we can take care of ourselves, he is Welcome in my Home. as I told his Attorney. My feelings being both a Christian and a Chaplain, I will lay down my Life to Protect Mr. Zimmerman. Again as I feel for everyone who gives their lives taking out, Killing, Baby-Murdering Doctors, their Staff, and the Tramp who is having her God Given Baby Murdered.. My feelings are the same against those trying to take-out Mr. Zimmerman and those with PINK and other Color Skin. I know Law Enforcement and what is called Government reads these messages and others, but I openly Speak and Deal In the Truth.
JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan Man I can feel the love of Christ oozing out of your right wing bust a cap in a blacks mans past if he even looks at me funny! As a Christian your first responsibility is to bring Zimmermans unregenerated self into a right relationship with God through Christ! Let me ask you a question…chaplain, when was the last time you took some gospel literature and shared it with someone outside of your race? Just a question. The greatest need for humanity is not a rightwing or leftwing Christianity, but a Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God, crucified and raised from the dead Christianity pointing whosover will to salvation. I have a friend whose wife was burning with the love of Christ. But his right wing Christianity always quenches the Spirit. He is so wrapped up in his version of Christianity Jesus takes a back seat on the bus! As tragic as this case is, there is no winners! A soul has gone off into eternity, another has a tough road to hoe because of his zeal (he should have just stayed in his apartment). And believers in Christ are divided on racial lines while multitudes are going into the abyss w/o Christ. Shame on us! Lets be transformed by the love, life and light of Christ. Pray for all sides and get a right now word from the Lord Jesus Himself to bring healing, forgiveness, grace, and mercy so that God will get the Glory even in human tragedy.
JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan And one more point, “how many young black men will you laid down your life for?” What do YOU see when you see a black man wearing a “do rag”, saggy pants, listening to Little Wayne and Drake? Do you see a young man crying out for the love of God in Christ or a thug? And if you see the latter, “whose lens is clean or dirty?” Have you ever stood on a corner in a black neighborhood passing out gospel literature to anyone? Or established a relationship with a black pastor just to fellowship in Christ? Because if you are a Christian, you are claiming you have God’s Holy Spirit in you, have been bought with a price, and have the message of faith, hope, and love for all of humanity burning in you! And this message requires one who has “taken up his cross to follow Jesus” (Matthew 16:23, 24) even into the hood. Heck, if Zimmerman would have had that attitude, Trayvon would be alive today. But instead his attitude was to by a gun. Was it for protection or…..? But Christians are ultimately to lay down their lives for others, BRINGING THE KNOWLEDGE OF SALVATION and not their right wing ideology!
fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan
He who dies with the most toys wins…..Ah No. All life is nothing but a journey, it is like a sand castle that is built on the sea shore, it appears for a short while then it is gone just like that. Life is a simple process, and we all take place in this “Process” like it or not, then we ALL KNOW that one day we will die, then comes the question What Next???
What IF we journey through life with good intent, we feed the poor, we give money to our favorite charity, we go to church, in short WE FEEL that we are good. Clearly The Bible tells us a different story. What if what is written the Bible is true? What if there is life after death?
I submit to my readers one simple thought, ALL that you work hard for will be gone once you die, all your cars, all your cash, everything, I have NEVER seen a “U-HALL IT” Trailer at a grave site with All the crap we have so we can use our stuff in “The After Life.” No; Someone other than YOU gets to spend or “Blow” ALL of your hard work, and for what??? why then do we work, just to die? That’s REALLY STUPID, and saying that we must have some sort of hope else why not just commit suicide and end it all right now?? So I submit that there is MORE than just this plane of ‘Existence”
NO ONE to date has figured out why we die, that said or unless you are Christian. What if what is written in the Bible is accurate data??? I submit that I would be the first to want to know what is in this book. Life as we know it at best will last 100 years + or minus. The bottom line is that you have “X” number of years and when you die it is over, you then step into eternity. IF you fail the test in this world and in this life you stand before a God who WILL, NOT Maybe judge you, and then it is too late.
Lee Stroble who was an Atheist wrote a book called “A Case for Christ.” Lee was a detective by trade so he did the research, what he found is up to you to see IF you agree.
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE WHAT YOU FEEL, WHAT YOU THINK OR WHAT YOU SAY. THERE IS A REALITY IF YOU ARE NOT BORN OF THE SPIRIT AND HAVE ACCEPTED CHRIST. WE are told ALL of our life that “Ignorance is NO EXCUSE for NOT knowing the LAW, and so it is with the God of that Bible YOU don’t want to hear or know about.
I BEG and PLEAD with you to find out before it is too late what is on the other side of Eternity. It can go only one of two ways. Either Saved or NOT Saved. Not saved is NOT a good option.
I could literally wright for DAYS on why the World is blowing up right now and WHY our Nation is in decline but I don’t have that kind of time to do that just right now.
Think about it YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOOSE, No Lighting Bolt will strike you dead if you do things the way Jesus stated that they should be done. You don’t need to go to church and be weird or “Roll in The Isles” and act like a fool. Just ASK JESUS to receive you just as you are, and what’s more ASK him to reveal himself to you. HE WON”T BITE YOU.
fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan
The only “right now word from the Lord” is the Bible.
Your incredible judgments of the chaplain belie your concern about love, etc. Like the prez, you took a neutral event (here the post) and read racism and horrible motives into it. Terrible slander to suggest he adheres to “bust a cap in a black man.”
fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan
How many black man would I lay down my life for. Each and every black Marine I served with.
How about you – anything more than words of judgment and condemnation?
What do you see when you see a white republican? Forget the response, you’ve already answered it in a number of your posts.
I think you might have something stuck in your eye.
fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan
fothgt1, young man you just came on to the scene and past judgement on everyone from a few post you read. I generally never waste my time on these sites, but have been on and off for the last 2 months and I must say that individuals you so shamefully tried to correct have been sharing God’s word.
So why do you condemn another believer? why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgement seat of God. Rom 14:10
Are any of us perfect? No. Will we get angry and say things that hurt, yes and we will answer to God. Fortunately I believe God will be more forgiven than you. Even Jesus got angry………
fothgt1 Seriously, if you could try to take race out of the equation and judge that trial on its merits, you might understand. You are so rigid and so full of hate that I will pray for you. I want you to be happy with life, but no one can be with such a huge huge chip on their shoulder. I am part Cherokee, but I cannot go around reliving the past and making my life miserable for myself. People like you are what scare me.
elnegron77 fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan Did you read and understand the part where Jesus said “you MUST LIVE BY EVERY WORD that Proceeds out of the Mouth of God.” How about when John The Baptist. Peter, Paul and Jesus called a Spade a Spade and called them a Brewed of Snakes. can you tell me how many times John The Baptist, Jesus, Peter and Paul made People, Leaders, and even Christians MAD-?
Frank Zappa fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan I replied, but was told it was to long. so I cut it into 2-pieces and then posted them both in different Posts, but neither of them being witnesses about the Lord and what He has done never appeared. Devil is scared of the Truth and hates for anyone to witness about Jesus
GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing Thank you, you explain it right on. I have been involved with the Criminal and Civil Courts a lot. On here as on the White Obama Page I am showing to much honest anger. Trayvon Martin died as a CRIMINAL, not a little child who fault was everyone but his own and maybe his Parents if one wants to go beyond that.
JimmieKing Thanks. I try.
GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing Good, trying is what we do no matter what it is we are trying to do are say.
JimmieKing GrumpyOldMan And Zimmerman failing to yield to police commands! But in reading the comments of many, this young black man got what he deserved according to many. The one dead is clearly at fault with Zimmerman not even getting a smack from the victims mother. If Zimmerman would have stayed in his apartment, no case, no threats on his life, Trayvon would be alive and allowed to eat his skittles (by the way did he steal them and the Arizona drink?). But blame the young man. There has to be a justification in the minds of many for his death. And that is he is a thug…right America. Watch Angels with dirty Faces, with Bogey and Cagney.
fothgt1 JimmieKing GrumpyOldMan Zimmerman did not fail to yield to police commands…he was not talking to the police. He was talking to 911 dispatch. I once volunteered in dispatch when our small town was short-handed. We could not give orders…we only advised. The *victim’s* mother could not handle that young thug. He had just been suspended from school for the THIRD time that year and it was only February…she gave up and sent him to his father. If you aren’t a strong parent and haven’t been for 17 years, it is rather difficult to reign in a large kid who is used to having his own way. Too little, too late in the parenting department. I’ve raised two kids and both turned out to be great citizens with educations and good jobs and they did not get that way because they were allowed to do whatever they wanted. We were in touch with everything they did and took every opportunity to be right in the middle of everything they did as long as they lived in our house. They thought we were too *hands-on* as teens, but now they are raising their teens in exactly the same way and their kids are amazing. Until parents start to realize that they really have to give up their lives while they are raising kids, we are going to have these teens who think they are above the law and know better than their parents. Raising good citizens is the most important thing a parent can do and we are failing miserably in this country.
fothgt1 JimmieKing GrumpyOldMan
Talk about blaming. Americans need to stay in their apartments with the doors locked and the windows shuttered.
How dare George Zimmerman go outside to protect his neighborhood!
It seems there has to be justification in the minds of many for excusing Travon’s assault with intent to kill.
This goes beyond Rod Serling’s “Twilight Zone” – we’ve now entered the “Bizzaro World” of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
fothgt1JimmieKingIn my younger days, I worked for the “phone company” installing and
repairing phone lines. More often than not, I was working in Black
neighborhoods.
One afternoon I came upon a multifamily residence
that had many buildings and a whole bunch of little kids playing
outside. The person inside was in his early twenties playing that RAP
CRAP about how he liked beating his mother, screwing his sister, and
mutha effin this and mutha effin that and everyone was a “ni66a”. I
asked him how the hell he expected anyone else to have any respect for
him when he obviously had no respect for himself blasting that stuff out
into the “hood” where the playing children had no choice but to hear
it.
His response was a blank stare. That wouldn’t have been you would it fothgt1?
fothgt1 If Zimmerman had not been armed, we all know he would now be dead and Trayvon would be loose to do it again and again. Would you truly be happier with that scenario? I would like to think this trial would set an example to all thugs of every color. Where we lived before, there were a lot of Asian street gangs and lots of unsolved murders in addition to the Black and Mexican and white gangs. A once beautiful city has been turned into a ghetto of violence.
I was working on a furnace in a house, mother at work , 16 yr old boy comes from school, turns on boom box filth, pulls up a chair, puts his face right in the speakers, and starts repeating the words over and over. Brain turning to do do. Mother comes in , goes to her room and hides, I am sure she was afraid.
GrumpyOldMan fothgt1 JimmieKing I grew-up in a Home where our Mouths got washed-out with a Bar of Soap before we got our Butts BEAT GOOD. One thing about it, I loved both my Parents very, very much and it like to have killed me when they died.
I have been asked to go to a few Funerals and set with the Family of the Mother who passed away. The sons and daughters nor grandkids shade a Tear, not one Tear and yet told how bad they felt when their Mother passed away. Today is put on a sad face for a minute.et a little pity, get them in the Ground and let’s head to the Lawyers to see if we have anything coming.
GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing
Excellent comment, Excellent Observation: How many times have people been convicted of a “Felony” without a “Grand Jury”??? The problem with MOST people is that they failed constitutional law 101.
Grumpy–Absolutely!–An important point that a whole lot of people have ignored–Because the Grand Jury would surely have “no-billed” the case. There wouldn’t have been much other reason to bypass it.
kmilliorn I agree, I don’t think a True Bill would have been gotten on the Case.
I just finished send copies to each one of the NAACP Officers who have e-mail addresses. I sent the PROOF and FACT including how a “WATERMELON (Tea) Drink, a Little ROBITUSSIN, and some SKETTLES makes a very Powerful DRUG-DRINK. A DRUG-DRINK that can also be Fatal.
Now many Home as with mind have Robitussin in them because it is across the counter Cold and Flu Medication. So all a person using DRUGS-DRINKS of this sort would need maybe to a 7-11 and purchase, would be the WATERMELOM (Tea) DRINK and a Bag of SKITTLES.
Also is the question of why it took a Man old enough to be in the US Armed Forces 45-minutes to walk 7/10s, that is .7 of a mile. That walk would take a person max of 14-minutes, and even less time if a person was hurrying to get out of the Rain.
Just maybe the 45-minutes can be explained by remembering Martin was caught with a Burglary Tool at School, also their was a Burglary Tool found in the Bushes where Martin came out of to attack Zimmerman. Also remember Zimmerman called the Police on Martin because he was acting funny, that including walking along behind the dark Backs of those Homes instead of walking on the Sidewalk where normal People would have been walking.
As for all this so-called Profiling because of Skin Color is and Kenya Obama saying it also Happened to him, I say is a Lie and Obama is the Biggest LAIR of all. I and my Friends were STOPPED and ARRESTED over and over went I was young, even hauled to Jail many times for Investigation (IV) as they called it. Most of the time they would release us the next day, sometimes we had to pay a Bondsman to get out of Jail and then they, the Officer(s) would Drop Charges. Si if this happened to Obama, where is his Criminal Record (Mainly FBI Record) Proving what he said was True-? Just like Trayvon Martin should have been Arrested at least 2-times while in School, but wasn’t because OF his Skin Color. That is FACT.
What is scary for everyone, is the fact Juror B37 stated that they COULD NOT find one against Mr. Zimmerman, and yet they all cried “because THEY WANTED TO FIND ZIMMERMAN GUILTY OF SOME-THING.” A sick and sorryful day for our so-called American Justice System hearing this. ,, God Bless, Jimmie
JimmieKing The FBI doesn’t normally operate in Indonesia where OBozo grew up. But his Executive Order #00000000000000000000001 was to hide all of his records. Including any criminal ones.
GrumpyOldMan JimmieKing You got that right, who knows, maybe he is the Man who comes back-up out of the Pit. No. he is not smart enough to be such a person. Kenya Obama is the Devil’s Right Hand Extended, and therefore he uses the power of the Devil to Vex his Followers and Supporters. These Followers are Baby-Murders and Queers and/or upholder of such. ROMANS 1:32 say not only those who do such things are worthy of Death (Hell), but those who uphold, Support and find pleasure in them are also worthy of Death. So we know just from the Votes the son of Satan got, 97% of those are Dark Colored Skinned People in which most claim to be Christians, and 57% of the claiming to be Christian Evangelist. Yes, Hell enlarges itself daily, and we see why Jesus said “FEW” there would be that enter in.
JimmieKing GrumpyOldMan But the worthy of death in Romans is not the Apostle in any way advocating their deaths at his hands. Paul is talking about the righteous judgment of God upon those who have rejected God’s revelation. But this same Apostle preached Christ, who he allowed to continue to transform him even after his initial encounter (Acts 9). Something at times I fail to discern when reading these scathing comments coming from those who claim to be in Christ. Calling the President, the son of Satan. James wrote “can a fountain bring forth sweet and bitter water” and Paul wrote “let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good for edifying that it may minister grace to the hearers.” Remember Jesus died for baby murderers and queers and even slave traders, racists and their descendants that are among us today! Years ago blacks where called inferior by many professing Christ, but I read some where that “the nations were a wild olive tree grafted in” and at one time “strangers as it related to God’s covenant.” Who was Paul talking about in Romans 11 and Ephesians 2? All non-Jews! That includes you. So God’s grace has been extended to you….who has sinned just as much as anyone else you have previously mentioned! So be very careful how you talk about those who need salvation. For YOU may never have a chance to minister the grace of God to them if you have such a diabolical attitude towards them. That is if YOU are IN-CHRIST and that HE is in you! For to reach others you must first have a love for God and His Compassion toward others or all you are is just one with a religious robe on with no real relationship with the Father by the Son!
fothgt1 JimmieKing GrumpyOldMan Well even that I don’t like the Prezzzz, or Holder, you are correct, once We were LOST without hope just like these fools. SO IF they are converted they will make it but if not the alternative is NOT good.
Obozo did look like he was a “Shape Shifter” at one of his speeches, forgot which one but it was weird.
fothgt1 JimmieKing GrumpyOldMan To start with friend, I didn’t call Kenya Obama the son of the Devil, the Bible does, “Howsoever Commiteth Sin, IS of the Devil—” 1-JOHN 3:8-10. The Old Testament along with the New Testament tells us before the foundation of this World was laid, God knew each and everyone of us. In the Predestination end of things, God knew the Obedient and the Disobedient from whenever and for whatever reason from before the world was made. Therefore God said He MADE the Good and the WICKED to serve His Purpose. Thereby we see why MANY (NOT ALL) were Called, but FEW were Chosen, and In the New Testament we see it is reversed. Those God DOES NOT WANT TO PARISH are those He had Chosen and gave them the CHOICE to accept and Following Him and His Son, are not to accept and Follow. The others were never given that Chance of having that Choice. It is hard to accept, but from Jesus own Mouth, He tells us in JOHN Chapter 15:1-10, mainly Verse 10, “Who He Loves”. “There are those of Old who have crept in who are MARKED FOR CONDEEMNATION.” READ ROMANS 13 about the Powers we are to obey and respect, it sure isn’t those in this so-called Government are should I say who is in our White House. You know, Jesus gave us Authority, and with in that authority, He gave us the authority that whatsoever we Bind on Earth, shall be Bound in Heaven, and whatsoever we Loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven. He also said whosoever’s SINS we Bind on Earth shall remain with them, and whosoever’s SINS we Loose on earth, shall be loosed.
NO BODY is a Child of God’s until they become not only a Believer, but also a 24/7 Follower of God and His Ways. have you not understood what it means when it says “some you win by Love, and other you pull from the Flames by Fear-?” ,, God Bless, Jimmie
I think it’s time to drop this issue. Martin was a punk, yes Zimmerman should have bowed out and let the police arrest him yet again, as it is Zimmerman probably prevented more misery caused by Martin. The court costs were also a part of the savings,. How much has already been wasted on this youth. Again, the parents failed to raise a boy with scruples, personally, I think the Parents should be prosecuted for failure to raise a child properly. And what does the Hispanic community say about the post trial persecution of Zimmerman, they seem to be quiet. The only group up in arms are the blacks. And what about Obama, as our president, he should have taken a neutral stance, we need to impeach that thorn in our side. I wish I could be interviewed by the media, too many ill feelings about this need to be brought to light and dealt with.
AlBortz
I may be wrong, but as I remember it, Zimmerman had broken off contact after losing sight of Trevon and was returning to his car.
Trevon came out of the dark and jumped him. Correct me if I don’t have it right.
AlBortz OBozo might be YOUR president. He sure as hell isn’t mine!
Grumpy old man, be apprised, I have two Impeach obozo stickers on my car, one states Honk for Impeachment, I get many cars honking every day, I would have rather voted for Olive Oyl first
AlBortz The “machine” probably would have counted your vote as being for OBozo anyway. Our election system has degenerated to that of being worse than many third world countries.
GrumpyOldMan AlBortz
There has NOT been an honest election in this country since the Reagan Presidency. Third World fits the election process in this country without a doubt. I can’t forget the Florida deal with all the hanging chads and the like. Obozo and his minions have kept the Military block from voting let alone how many other groups of people around the country. Don’t leave out of course “The News Media” and the low informed voters to top the list, like the lady and he “Obama Phone.”
Frank Zappa AlBortz Good points. People forget too easily if not reminded.
GrumpyOldMan Frank Zappa AlBortz
Our very life MAY one day depend on it, which is why kids in school these days are not taught ANYTHING about US history, our constitution, and so on. The net result is Ignorance will get Ya Killed, or land you in prison, which is the way Gov. wants things to be. You can’t complain about what you don’t know to complain about.
Today even “J Walking” is a Felony, and just because our justice system is “Nice” and “Compassionate” they will “Let You Off” with just a “Misdemeanor” But today only. Just because WE are Soooo Just.
More and More I hear the simplest things are no longer a “Lesser Crime” but the maximum punishment is imposed then they change their tune to the lesser crime.
Once upon a time in this country a capital crime meant that you did something really serious, NOW all that you need do for instance is kill the neighbors dog and you go to jail as a felon. I have friends that work as Animal Control Officers, so this is what they tell me.
Frank Zappa GrumpyOldMan AlBortz
It’s all part of how subversive democrats build a police state.
Frank Zappa GrumpyOldMan AlBortz Yes, STUPID breeds STUPID. My wife spent over 30-years in Health Care, mainly taking care of those who can’t take care of themselves. She retired because she got fed-up with the young Dark Colored Skinned Lazy always getting their way, and my wife taking the heat for speaking up are back. My wife also STOPPED Teaching as a Sub-Teacher. She said there were a number of Boxes of New Books that were purchased but never used and then Trashed. Kids not doing their School Work because they didn’t have to and they would pass anyway, it was up to their Teachers. My one Grand-Daughter’s Mother CANNOT spell any word with over 3 or 4 letters in the word. She can’t read and yet she would be put in Charge of the Class to Check the Row. My wife spent less than 2-weeks Teaching her how to Read the Bible, it made Zandra so happy, she would bring her Bible we gave her to our Home just to Read us a Scripture are Verse she had learned to read by her self. Anyway, that was AFTER she had already Graduated from High School. After a couple years of Sub-ing here in Tennessee, she said she could no longer do that, she was a Teacher, not a Day-Care Attendant.
Frank Zappa GrumpyOldMan AlBortz Today it is all about Money. I Call it “The Tennessee Taliban Money Making Justice System.” There are COPS and there are C.O.P.S. (Criminals Oppressing People’s Sovereignty). So the fact is C.O.P.S. acting like Street Gang Thugs with Badges. But they want to ARREST you and Charge you with as many things they can to make their Arrest Record look good. That is how they get Promoted is by their Record. Then the DA starts Cutting Out and/or Adding more Charges to have Dealing Room. Even if it is some-thing simple and the Judge throws it out, you are STILL CHARGED Court Costs. I have always had my son to Refuse to pay those Charges when Charges were thrown-out are dismissed. 99% of the People are so happy, they go ahead and pay those Court Costs.
Don’t forget that we the Tax Payers pay for the Judges, Clerks, our Offices and Courtrooms they use. Yet Court Costs goes in on Sheriff’s and Judges Retirement Plans, Yearly Conventions in which they take their wives and Children if they have either are both, and as in one case here in Tenn. Even a Retired Judge was allowed to attend the 2-week all expense paid Vacation Convention in Hawaii for what-? Don’t Judges know the Law and have Law Libraries and Aids/Clerks who also make Commissions on Collections and Property Estate Sales, and being put in-Change of some of the Elderly and their Monies. Some of these Clerks take-out Insurance on these Elderly and put down themselves as Beneficiaries. I know, our Court Clerk of 29 1/2 years was caught and arrested when getting off jet coming back from Honeymoon in Hawaii. She was made to pay back a lot of money. One elderly Man’s son came out to see his dad, to find his dad living in a Fifty House, had no Electric, etc., the Clerk wasn’t paying for those things out of all of his money that was put in the Court’s Hands for the Clerk to handle.
Also, I have a receipt on my son where Charges were dropped and he still had to pay almost $400.00 because he didn’t listen to me. But out of those Charges were $15.00 for the State Trooper who showed-up and made a False Report. $13.00 was paid to the Constable who stopped them for doing nothing. The Court Costs was less than a $100.00, but the Court Clerk’s Fees were well over a $100.00, yet she is paid by the Tax Payers-?
GrumpyOldMan AlBortz You got that Right, are maybe one of those PINK FEARFUL Panthers would have been out front trying to twist my arm by Eric Holder’s command. .
Here is an interesting article…very similar story, but the shooter is black and the teen is white.
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/07/18/white-people-rioting/
mjz4043
The prime purpose of Obozo is to created division, a country in chaos, but for what reason??? To usher in “The New World Order” “Novus Ordo Seclorum” which I believe means Order out of Chaos. What better way to tear a country apart….Race Riots…What a concept.
In some regard Obozo makes it sound as if he has had such a hard life, when in fact EVERYTHING has been handed to him on a Silver Platter. His first job out of high school was given to him by none other than “Henry Kissinger” one of Obamas mentors besides Reverend White, or in his case reverend Whitey hater.
The people who voted the Obozo Presidential ticket appear to be Darwin wanna bee’s they resemble the look of a trapped animal like Darwin’s “Origin of Species.” Many Whites voted the Obozo ticket because they felt the guilt, of what Whitey had done to them years ago, along with the general “You Owe Me” attitude. Bring yourself a Honkey get your A$$ in free….Ya Let the Honkey Pay for it. (Cheech and Chong)
So why say all this??? because it is the heart of the person that is corrupt NOT the color of a Mans skin….IF it is a White man that did this……In Jail, Hate Crime, No Forgiveness etc.
Frank Zappa mjz4043
That’s telling it like it is Zappa.
And the heart of Dear Leader is easy to read – an EKG reveals it pulses to the beats of Marxism, tyranny and fascism.
Frank Zappa mjz4043 There is no doubt it is all the Plans of and for the New Order World of the Anti-Christ’s. I started a Street and parking lot Ministry back in 1983 called “C.A..T.N.O.W. (Ministry) That being “Christians Against The New Order World (Ministry) back in 2001 and 02 we had 3-Christians Tee Shirts Booths at Flea Market. We gave away FREE many FREE Tee-Shirts, Sweat Shirts, Caps as well as selling them also. We gave away FREE BIBLES Leather Bound we received Freely from Bible Pathway INT. and we also Purchased many ourselves. We purchased the Spanish Bibles by the Cases and some-times gave away as many as 2-cases a week-end. We also received FRELY Gospel Tracts in many a many different languages form World Missionary Press. We also had Auto Tags and all the Supplies and frames, etc, needed including have a Button Making Machine and Leather Crafting Tools, etc. We Hand Tooled Christians Leather Belts, etc. for people. In other words, we had Church at the Flea Market and we also had Items Displayed about the New Order World, it’s Beginning and what they were up to, etc. All of a sudden, we were kicked out of the Flea Market and it cost us to lose over $40,000.00 we had invested in Building our Booths, Much Equipment and much Supplies, etc. None of what we were doing was for Money, because there was very little money made. It was all about Jesus accept the Tee-Shirts and things about the N.W.O. We just thank God we got the Word out to the Thousands we got the word out to. Some-times People would come and take Pictures of our Booths and the :large ONE DOLLAR BILL and TWENTY DOLLAR BILL we had on display. I had Foretold many years ago what was going to take place and some of it has taken place. I wrote a couple Books I called Booklets and we gave them out freely. I even foretold about Bush Jr. going to run and become President long before he called Rove and had him come and kick off his run for the Office, I also foretold about us Hitting Iraq because we has to secure the Oil in the Middle-East. I foretold some-thing big was going to hit New York City in the Middle of a Letter I was writing to Spotlight News, if you remember them they Government also put out of Business. I can tell you about the Un-Marked Black Choppers following me, hovering over my neighbors Home with Lights on while 3-of us against the NWO were inside. Later those 2- Choppers Hovered over my Trailer with Lights on and Exhaust open shaking our Trailer and scaring my late wife and my son half to death. Those 2-Choppers even landed down in my Bottom until I pulled in across the Creek and my Truck Lights shinned on them, then they took off. I can go on about things taking place including my Trailer being entered and all my Paper Work was gone through, a CD and one Book I was writing and it’s notes were taken, and answering machine was listened to You see, I had 2-hidden VOX Small Tape Recorders that caught them and what they were doing. I even had the Local Sheriff’s Office to come out in a Chopper belonging to a man in Shelbyville, TN. to come and set outside my window watching me as I was looking at them, that was before the Cedar Trees grew-up out front. I called them after I found out who it was and I talked to the Officer who was in that Chopper. He told me the Skyways were Free and they could fly as close as they wanted to as long as they didn’t touch my Ground are Trailer. I told him my eye sight was bad, and the next time I will be shooting at a Giant Bird. He asked me if I was threatening to shoot them down-? I told him to take it for what I said, I would be shooting at a Giant Bird in my opinion, they have never been back. Anyway, there is only 3-people including myself still alive who can back-up my stories about what use to take place here and with me. To me, we no longer have a Government because “We The People” are no more. ,, God Bless, Jimmie King .. Gassaway, TN.
mjz4043 ,,But we whites are not rioting.
chamuiel mjz4043 What are you talking about? Whites have been rioting, looting, murdering, performing genocide and holocausts for years! You drop a bomb on someone and call it just. But when a non-white does it you caricature it as terrorism. You can go to another country, extract resources from them, sell it back to them at a higher price, then when they rise up, your demonize them! You will have others fight your wars, die for you to maintain your status and won’t even allow them the time of day once the conflict is over (which you started). I keep saying this, stop seeing the world through your lens!
fothgt1 chamuiel mjz4043
And don’t forget the Barbarian invasions of Rome 400-800 AD
P.S. I suppose you want us to see the world through your lens since you criticized how the previous posters shared their perspective.
fothgt1 chamuiel mjz4043 OMG…I said the whites are not rioting about various crazy verdicts that come down in these racially-charged cases…such as the OJ Simpson verdict or this recent one where a black security guard killed a white teen. I will never understand why people like you who hate this country don’t just leave it. I’ve travelled extensively and there are amazing places to live in this world that might suit your perspective. If you are black, you would love Liberia that was founded by black ex-slaves. If you are Asian, there are many beautiful garden spots in SE Asia. I don’t care where you go, but you are certainly welcome to go any time. It must be miserable for you to have to live in this miserable country. Go, boy, go…don’t walk, RUN.
fothgt1 chamuiel mjz4043 Really??? Can you explain how it is that after the “war” we always seem to rebuild THEIR infrastructure while we ignore the needs of our own poor and disadvantaged? I want to see that explanation.
Innocent childs tweets,
http://clashdaily.com/2013/07/obamas-son-20-disgusting-tweets-from-trayvon/
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are peacemakers: for
they shall be called the children of God.
Multitudes on both sides prayed for truth
and justice and placed the trial in God’s hands; NOW, we must believe He
answered.
God is searching our hearts, hate is as
murder; fear is from Satan. The devil uses fear, anger, lack of trust God is in
all things. Protests can do nothing but make black children believe they must
fear whites; that is not unity; that is division, anger and a lie from Satan.
Judgment Now
MarieDevine Amen, but let us not make a New God and New Christ out of our NEVER CHANGING God and His NEVER CHANGING Christ. Let us remember God the Father through His Son, Destroyed whole Nations, Men, Women, Children and even every Animal to rid the Land of Evil. Our God is also a God of Love, God of Mercy, God of Peace, a God of Justice, a God of Truth, and also a Warring God. JOHN 15:1-10 tells us about who God and His Son Love and Don’t Love. Jesus made it very clear in Verse 10. Jesus also told us about Buying Weapons to Protect ourselves in LUKE 22. So if a group are Mob of any Color come to Hurt you are yours, are you to stop and Pray for them, are take ahold of your Weapon and protect yourself and your Family and your Neighbor are Stranger.
We much have the common sense to understand Jesus Loved those Decuples/Apostles with all His Heart. Yet they went Hungry, went Thirsty, were Stoned, Beaten, Jailed, had to run and Hide, were Homeless, etc., and yet 11 of the 12 were Killed for His name Sake. Jesus disobeyed Man and Man’s Laws, and He was Murdered for all of Mankind who before the Foundation of this world was laid, were chosen (not all were and not all are today) to be given the Choice to seek for Salvation through Christ.
Jesus laid down His Life to Save many, so did the 2-Christians in which one was Murdered by the State and the other received Life in Prison for Killing those Baby-Murdering Doctors and Nurses, thereby Saving maybe Thousands of our little unborn brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. It was amazing and shameful how so-called Christians turned their Cowardly Backs on those 2-Men who gave their Lives to Save Many Lives. 99% of all Claiming to be Christians today are Lost and on their way to Hell if it be for just being the Fearful (REVELATION 21:8).
MarieDevine Well, I’m sorry! We Pagans believe it was Thor that delivered the verdict. Thunder and lightning were the last things Martin saw and heard. Please get your religions straight.
MarieDevine If I wanted a sermon, I’d have gone to church.
GrumpyOldMan MarieDevine
Hi, Grumpy Old Man, thanks for responding; now I see where you got your name. That’s OK, Jesus died and redeemed you ffrom death and destruction and some day, you with accept that and change your name. God bless you.
MarieDevine That isn’t the point. I realize you believe that yours in the only religion in the world that means anything and that out of even all the Christians in the world, it is only those that share YOUR exact same beliefs that will find heavens gate. YOU ARE WRONG! And as I said, I don’t come here for sermons on YOUR particular brand of religious beliefs. You want to preach, go to a religious site that is set up for it.
GrumpyOldMan MarieDevine We belivers in Christ must share our faith in every forum. The time is short for men and women to be saved by and through the grace of God in Christ. Religion cannot bring salvation. That was left solely in the hands of the person of Jesus. If religion can bring salvation then there would be no need for Jesus, who exposed the hypocrisy of the then religious leaders and His life, example, and teachings exposes all hypocrisy from all the worlds major religions. Jesus commitment to grace and truth upends all those who have claims to what is truth. For He was and is the embodiment of truth (John 14:6).
fothgt1 MarieDevine What you people seem to not understand, is that man has something called free will. I couldn’t care less what your religious views are. But what you do is the equivalent of a Banger driving down the street with his RAP CRAP sound blasting out bending the metal in his ride. It’s offensive. And it isn’t going to change anyones mind. You are not serving anyone, or anything when you can’t put together a single paragraph on ANY subject without bringing in YOUR particular brand of religion in to it.
GrumpyOldMan MarieDevine I do not believe your a Pagan. History shows Pagans can’t think and believe in every-thing, including throwing their children into the Fire to please some god they never seen are had done a thing for them. I guess the stories should have been the Obama Pagans are Pagan Obamas Vs the Wise and Knowledgeable.
JimmieKing MarieDevine No, I’m not really a pagan. I just get sick and tired of being preached to. Muslims are the same way, no tolerance for anyone who doesn’t think and believe the exact same thing they do.I’ve become intolerant of intolerant preachers!
Back in my younger days, i worked in an auto body shop, with 4 black men, of various ages.We all respected each other, and got along great. I am white, but color never entered the equation there and then. I have met a couple of those guys since i left that shop, and it was like a family reunion! Life is what ya make it!
The news media will work this happening for all they can get out of it, and if it inflames hatred between blacks and whites–so what! Thats what sells news papers!
One thing here, that bothers me, is the common usage of the word “are” in place of “or”! It can’t be a way to type less. Is it the Southern way of speaking, or writing? I have written to, and received, a bunch of letters from folks in the southern states, and a lot of them are done that way–are instead of or. ???? Rusty Jones
Rusty Jones ,
that is your biggest complaint?
WOW! You have a good life then.
Enjoy it.
The only racists that we have in this country are the blacks and the demoncrap pigs and their followers.
PaulBrown1 ,
I was going to say Democrats, but you have already covered them.
I am glad the last resistance saw this through their clear lens. I am glad that they have noticed the KKK style violence has been eradicated (thanx for the help) and somehow Martin was real culprit and got what he deserved tone of this article. But lets deal with Martin in another vein. It is a fact that children from divorced homes act out! Perish the thought, even white homes. And you may not know this, but this takes place with black families as well. But the last resistance, which no doubt has a Christian conservative bent, has no clue of what really goes on in the black community. You cite Christianity, but probably will never understand Jesus teachings as it relates to the black experience in America since the seventeenth century! Jesus said “you will surely speak this proverb, physician heal thyself.” Who did Jesus say that to? The religious leaders who created an environment for Jesus to be killed, and then mockingly would say “heal thyself.” Sound familiar my conservative Christian friend. Your America has helped create the environment that blacks live in and then you scathingly write articles with a bent a blind person can see right through. Take the spec out of your eye. Put on Christ (Romans 13:14) and stop seeing the Holy Scriptures through your biased conservative lens. Heck you might even lead a black person to Christ, once ye yourself is transformed, that is if you think they have a soul worth presenting the greatest story ever told too!
fothgt1
You’ve served up a graduate course in victimology.
From my own experiences, I do not agree that racism is dead in the United States. I am a white Vietnam War veteran who has been denied all employment in the United States because of my honorable service in Vietnam. I have filed appeals and lawsuits against the federal government and federal contractors in the United States because I have been denied all employment here since receiving my honorable discharge in 1968. My veteran status has not stopped me from getting jobs in foreign countries, where I worked for many years as a scientist. The documentary evidence I have accumulated for my lawsuits has indicated that black veterans fare even worse than white veterans, although I regard all veteran as subject to extreme employment discrimination in the United States. First, there have been uncomfirmed reports that about half of the homeless veterans are black. Second, government statistics I obtained during the mid-1980s showed that the employment services in ten states and two other districts could be statistically shown to be discriminating against veterans using the 80% rule of the U.S. Department of Labor. The greatest discrimination was occurring in the state of West Virginia, which had the largest percentage of its population killed in the Vietnam War. However, the worst government-run employment service was in the U.S. Virgin Islands, where a Vietnam veteran had little more than 30% of the chance that any non-veteran would have of being placed in a job. The population of the Virgin Islands is almost entirely black. The second worst place for a veteran to live was Washington, D.C. There, a Vietnam Era veteran had only about 50% as much chance of being placed in a job as anybody else. The population of Washington D.C. is more than 90% black. Apparently, honorable service to the United States in a war, declared or not, makes a black person even less likely to get a job than anyone else. I know that my chances of finding employment are no better than 0% because government agencies have illegally put an end to veterans’ preference. They got away with this because veterans were given no right to file a lawsuit if discriminated against. My claims under veterans’ law have been dismissed, although I prevailed in lawsuits pursuant to age discrimination laws. But one group fares even worse than Vietnam War vets in general, and that is black Vietnam War vets. I find this to be a particularly despicable form of racism, especially by Americans who favor Communism and seek to take reprisal against those who fought against their Vietnamese comrades. Worse still are the Justice Department lawyers, who have helped them get away with this discrimination by giving veteran-haters unlimited legal services at the taxpayers’ expense to deny veterans a jury trial and a decision on the merits before an American court.
Stevie, now your showing your racial
prejudice.Because your black you are
sticking up for a bad black kid that acted grown up.He did the first unlawful act and you are
blaming all of Florida because a hispanic shot the punk.Well Stevie please don’t ever come to Florida
and take everyother prejudice entertainer and tour Africa so you all will be at
home.Then we can get back to being
Floridians, kind of laid back and let the world and you KISS OUR ASSES.STEVIE, HOW ABOUT THE 25 PLUS YEAR OLD WHITE
COUPLE THAT WAS KIDNAPPED BY 5 BLACKS.They raped and beat them both for 5 days.They cut off his penis and put it in her
mouth and then in his.They pissed all
over them during the week and then killed him in front of her and cut her
breasts off and killed her.Where the
hell were you, Obama, Holder, the NAACP, Jackson, & shit head
Sharpton.No body cares because it was
plack people killing white people, so Stevie until you and your other prejudice
friends can worry about everyone keep the hell out of Florida.The little punk ass kid played his video
games and then came into the grownup world.When you mess with the older crowd, they will put a bullet in you in a
heart beat, they will fight back and kill your ass.
Stevie. And don’t forget the infant in the stroller they shot at point blank range. Wow…when you think of it, we could go on forever with the black on white or black on black crime. I do not deny that we have enough of our own white crime, but the Zimmerman/Trayvon tragedy only came about because a young black thug didn’t stop to think that the man he was attacking might be better armed than he is and not willing to have his brains bashed in. You would have done the same…think about it. If you claim you wouldn’t have done the same thing, you are lying or just brain dead. No one should be walking around a community after dark unless it is winter and you have to walk the dog..which we do. If our dog alerts us to someone being around after dark, we go outside and check and if we see someone, we watch them until they go on their way, but know…we are ready for a confrontation if it comes to that. Please try to understand you are looking at all this thru very biased eyes. I don’t give a rat’s patootie what color someone is if they are a decent human being. There are good and bad in all races and I hope you can put that chip aside and learn to love instead of hate.
mjz4043 Very well put and clearly explained. The world looks different through Rose Colored Glasses.
BOYCOTT FLORIDA, How dare
they!!!Everyone of these celebrities
are prejudicial to the everyday fans that supported them and made them what
they are today.You all are discriminating
against me for a law I had nothing to do with.FOR WHAT, a punk ass self described Ni66er that stepped up into the
adult community and found out video games do not fight back BUT adults in the
real world do and they will kill your ass if you try and hurt them.Time to change your attitude entertainers
cause you will no longer get my money.Boycott these spoiled, pampered, selfish fan haters.
Stevie, now your showing your racial
prejudice.Because your black you are
sticking up for a bad black kid that acted grown up.He did the first unlawful act and you are
blaming all of Florida because a hispanic shot the punk.Well Stevie please don’t ever come to Florida
and take everyother prejudice entertainer and tour Africa so you all will be at
home.Then we can get back to being
Floridians, kind of laid back and let the world and you KISS OUR ASSES.STEVIE, HOW ABOUT THE 25 PLUS YEAR OLD WHITE
COUPLE THAT WAS KIDNAPPED BY 5 BLACKS.They raped and beat them both for 5 days.They cut off his penis and put it in her
mouth and then in his.They pissed all
over them during the week and then killed him in front of her and cut her
breasts off and killed her.Where the
hell were you, Obama, Holder, the NAACP, Jackson, & shit head
Sharpton.No body cares because it was
plack people killing white people, so Stevie until you and your other prejudice
friends can worry about everyone keep the hell out of Florida.The little punk ass kid played his video
games and then came into the grownup world.When you mess with the older crowd, they will put a bullet in you in a
heart beat, they will fight back and kill your ass.
Bushmaster0369 ,
Where were they when black thugs shot the thirteen month old white baby to death in his baby stroller?
Perhaps we should boycott black owned businesses. There are way more of us than there is of them.
chamuiel Bushmaster0369 It will take the Angel of the Lord coming swinging His Sword to bring things to a holt. They can Boycott Florida if they want to, then maybe they will spend that Money on Food and things they need.
JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 ,
I wonder if the angel of the Lord has a .44 magnum.
By resorting to violence, you are as bad as those you oppose.
chamuiel JimmieKing Bushmaster0369
Violence is often necessary and serves good purposes.
It’s kept America free and not enslaved to Germany or Japan. And it’s kept families from being brutalized and/or killed.
I’d say it’s a noble undertaking to protect our unalienable rights and that lifts us far above those who would destroy those rights.
Always a Marine chamuiel JimmieKing Bushmaster0369 So true so true. Thank you for Serving. My stepson was in the Marines and over there in Iraq during Desert Storm. My late Wife’s nephew were raise after his Mother died, he was in the Marines for 4-years. My son joined the Marines, then got Booted-out because of not getting his GED because he was to busy with a Girlfriend at that time. So God Bless you and all the rest of us U.S .OATH KEEPERS
JimmieKing Always a Marine chamuiel Bushmaster0369
Thanks Jimmie. My oath wasn’t taken with an expiration date.
And, in light of the growing tyranny I’m prepared, and realize that in protecting and preserving a free America, violence may be necessary
Always a Marine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 Be careful, violence breeds violence. Pray for people, that will move them out of your way. They will either repent, or run from it; either way, you win. Standing your ground may be needed; and God gave us the right to guns in our constitution (according to revelation in 1833); but there is a goal to kill or lock up multitudes and that can only happen if we get violent. Keep peace, speak truth to power politely and they have no power.
Always a Marine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 Yup funny that way…..Me too, I did not find any expiration date on the oath to protect, and defend, against all the terrorists in Washington…..Well I am sure all of you understand the meaning.
MarieDevine Always a Marine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 According to ‘Revelation in 1883.” Are you sure about Revelation?
Frank Zappa MarieDevine Always a Marine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 Sorry Brother, I DID NOT make the Comment you are speaking of where REVELATION 1883 was used. Go up a couple comments and you will see MarieDevine said that. There is no REV. 1883 in any of my Bibles. ,, God Bless, Jimmie
MarieDevine Always a Marine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369
Sorry, I can’t fully agree that violence breeds violence. I’ve seen too many pacified by extreme violence.
While I believe in prayer, there’s a time to pray, and there’s also a time to fight for your life, your family’s and your nation.
Forgive this assessment, but the idea that criminals, terrorists, etc. will run is naive in the extreme. There are too many abused children, raped women and brutalized victims that say otherwise.
God didn’t give us the right to guns in our Constitution – He gave us the right to life (which includes the right to protect that gift from God) at each of our births. That right was recorded in the Bible thousands of years ago, and it was incorporated in our founding documents – first the Declaration and then the Constitution.
I fully support the goal to kill or lock up all those who have decided to rampage against the laws of God and our society. Criminals who violate the rights of others forsake their own rights.
Always a Marine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 Yes sir, my Oath wasn’t taken in Vain either. I had a very Elderly man who could hardly walk even with his Cane, came up to me when the wife and I was getting in our Truck at Wal Mart. The Elderly man asked me if he could Shaking my Hand, I said sure. He said I seen your Bumper stickers, and I’m proud to shake the Hand of a Real American Man. He said I seen your Oath Keeper Sticker, thank you for Displaying that and your Believes in God Openly. My wife then hand me an Oath Keepers card to give him. He said he could do much of anything any more, but he can still Pull the Trigger on his Gun to Defend ‘the “We The People” and he will do that if it comes down to that. He said your Boldness proves to me that you would do the same-thing if it come to that. He had me to go look at his Stickers on his Car. One was “Thrown the Bums Out.” One was “My Son Proudly Served for America,” and the other sticker was, “I Support OUR Troops.” God Bless that elderly man, he is a REAL American MAN.
Always a Marine MarieDevine JimmieKing chamuiel Bushmaster0369 Jesus Himself gave us the Right to Bear Arms for our own Protection (LUKE 22:35-47) Zimmerman was Protection himself from a Punk, Teenage Trouble Making “WANT TO BE STREET THUG.”
I had a couple PINK Colored Skinned young men pull up beside our small Truck which had my wife and I in it waiting for my son to get off work. They looked over and smiled and turned their Stereo up louder. I yelled and told them to turn it down because there was a lady present in my Truck. The Driver turned it down to hear what I was saying, then the punk on the other side reached and turned the Stereo up very loud and looked at me and laughed. At that time I was 6′ 3′ with a 30 inch waist and 16 1/2 inch arms. I opened my truck door and got walking around to the Drivers door, the driver reached and turned the Stereo Off real quick. The Punk on the other side reached and turned it back on. About that time I pulled my 44mag out from under my shirt and starting pounding the crap out of the front of their Dirty talking Stereo with the Butt Grip of my Gun. They started-up their Car, backed-out and took off. I figured the Law would be there shortly, but they did not show up, so my son came out and we left and came Home.
JimmieKing ,
So you admit you were a bully.
interesting.
chamuiel JimmieKing No, I admit I’m a try to be nice Human Being, even when I was a Street Punk and Door man in a Mixed race very Redneck Nightclub. What do you spend your time doing are being-?
But in Case you don’t know are understand. It is against the Law to Talk that Dirty Trash Talk. It is also against the Law to Play your Stereo are Boom Box over so many Hz. They say if it can be heard outside your auto, it is to loud and you can receive a Ticket. Now who is so small Brained that they can’t think of anything to say that doesn’t have the F are MF’er Words in their lines of words. When I was a Child, I acted like a Child. But when I became a Man, I tried to act like a man, not any longer a Child are Punk..
JimmieKing chamuiel
Agreed! Recieve a ticket. Not have your private poperty beat in with a pistol, nor to br intimidated by a pistol.
I am surprised you cannot see a difference.
If it had been me, I would probably have shot you, and paid the fine.
the two guys who pulled up beside you were very rude, but you by your actions were even more rude.
chamuiel I agree with you, I was Very Rude. I should have put a 44mag through their Dirty Talking Stereo instead, but a 44mag will go through an Engine Block, so that would have destroyed their Car. People who talk that dirty trash talk have no respect for themselves, and those who set and listen to it have no respect for themselves.
We were in Court when 3 guys a one young gal setting there using that trash talk. I told them there was at least one Lady setting there, and I pointed to my wife. So cold it please. They told me they were sorry and all was cool. I wish they would bring back the Draft and make everyone go into the Armed Forces at age 16, are go to the Stockade at hard Labor. I pulled 2 Hitches in Stockade one for 3-months and one for 5-months. In which I lost 2/3rds of my pay and had to pull hard labor 12-hours a day plus a Hour for each DR I received. But I came out of the Service having Respect for men, Women, Children and the Elderly. You can’t buy that today from the Trash talking dirty mouthed people out there today. Just because your neighbor are friend is a Pig who wallows in the Mud, Do you have to also be a Mud Wallowing Pig just because they are-?
JimmieKing chamuiel
I spent time in the service, but never a moment in the stockade.
I was a good soldier, and did not have an anger problem.
I
JimmieKing
I REALLY like the .44 Mag for the solution to the problem. Not many people would have the guts here in Kalifornia, the state of fruit and nuts to do something gutsy like that…..Hope that you scared the crap out of these punks….I Approve
Frank Zappa JimmieKing
You approve of someone with admitted anger management issues going all John Rambo and and scaring the hell out of a couple of punks who had done nothing more than what warranted a ticket for sound violation.
If he was upset at what he perceived as some sort of insult to his lady or himself, the logical thing to do would be to get the license plate numbers of the punks car and call the police and let them deal with it.
What Jimmie did was way more of a criminal act than a little noise pollution by the punks..
It surprises me someone has not killed him a long time ago.
Jimmie king by his own admission is a violent person, and unable to control his anger.
I would suggest to him, that he take some anger management classes, and while doing so get every gun he owns or has access to out of the house so he does not have access to them.
It sacres the hell out of me to think there are many law abiding gun owners in this country and Jimmieking is not one of them.
I can seewhere certain self admitted violent people like jimmieking should not be allowed to own guns.
In one comment he mentions that his ex wife’s boyfriend broke his back.
really?/
Was she an ex wife because of his violence and anger issues? Did the boy friend break Jimmie’s back because he was scared of jimmie’s violence?
chamuiel Just showing a gun can be perceived as a terroristic threat and if charges are filed, the very least could be a stiff fine. I was waiting for my granddaughter at a distant golf course and sitting in my car reading when a Mexican worker in a big diesel pickup pulled up alongside me (and that parking lot was not even 10% full), parked and left the truck running and then he proceeded to start eating his lunch. I had my windows open so I had to smell the diesel and listen to that maddening noise. I considered trying to talk to him, but rather than undergo that frustration, I moved the car across the parking lot where it was quiet. As you get older you start to realize that you need to take the path of least resistance.
In our very quiet neighborhood, every Sunday night we would have to tolerate the deep bass of a loud radio that the Mexicans like and this would go on for about half an hour. I finally had had my fill so I walked up the hill to the house and asked the young Mexican woman if she could turn that thing down and she was disturbing the peace in addition to ruining the hearing of the two small children in the truck with her. She would not even acknowledge that I was talking to her and when she left, she drove past my house with the radio turned up louder than ever and every Sunday night she did the same thing, going out of her way to drive past my house. In 50 years, those little kids are going to wonder why they are suddenly deaf.
mjz4043 chamuiel I don’t know if they will let this be Posted, they haven’t some I have wrote are answered. The last one being a Witness about some of what Jesus has done for me and the Proof, etc. But here it goes.
Good job, some will and some won’t listen are even give thought to what you are asking. My son grew-up now after all the babies and a good wife, she has given up the Loud Music and Rap-Crap. Mt wife and I had to use his truck one day for some-thing and I didn’t want to mess with his Stereo, so I just turned it down. I mean then he couldn’t afford Food and a Place to stay, but had about 2-Thousand tied-up in Stereo Crap for his Truck(?) Anyway, all the claimed Music was a Bass Booming and someone saying over and over, “Walking, Walking, Walking and it kept going over and over.” And think, someone make money making that Junk they call Music.
I use to do a lot of Writing, Have maybe 30-Studio Demos setting here, Lots of New Electronic Computer Music and Music Writing programs, and I have never learned how to use them, nor have I ever pitched any of my Songs, I Changed my way of Living, so I stopped the Writing of Secular Music (to each his own). I had a “New Release of the Week’ out in Bend, Oregon on KICE Radio along with Gary Morris’s “Wind Under My Wings” and some other Big name Country Stars, Dan Mitchel a Big and well known Song-Writer and Music Jock here in Nashville was my Producer. Dan was with Ray Baker for years and they had also George Straight and Moe Bandy. Dan is the one who talked me into Recording and had me to move to Nashville and go on the Road. But I got Crushed and I got Saved, and I gave-up that end of things.
mjz4043 chamuiel
I agree with what you said.
I still say Jimmie King who took out his .44 magnum and started beating hell out of a couple guys boomboxes because he perceived the noise violation as a insult to his lady shows the kind of lack anger and violence that person, Jimmy King should not be allowed to own a gun or to even be near a gun. He has admitted to being in the stockade in the Military for anger issues.
He says the two punks were playing loud music in their car that was insulting to him and his wife/girlfriend.
His obvious logical course was to get the license plate number., and call the Police and let them handle it. As Jimmie said the noise pollution was only a ticketable offense.
It did not require him to pull a Rambo and start beating the crap out of the punks boombox (Speakers.
He bragged about doing something illegal, like it was a great thing.
I have a CHL and I legally carry a gun on my person. In Houston, Tx I am assaulted by loud noises coming from cars (Blacks, White, Hispanics, and a few Asians every day).
I do not jump someone and start beating the heck out of their private property with my gun because their radio is turned up too loud, or I disagree with the lyrics they are listening to.
I know all about the penalties for exposing a concealed weapon.
Getting older? I am 68.
About an hour ago, I pulled into my Apartment parking lot and pulled into a handicapped parking place. I had the door of my car open, and was getting the 5-6 plastic bags of groceries.
A young black woman of 25 or so comes between my car and the car parked next to me. She says excuse me, I need to get by. I said lady there is a side walk 10 feet from you, I am busy please take the side walk.
I turned back to get my bags and she shoved my car door pushing me half way into to my car, causing me to drop my eggs and break them.
I did tell her she was extremely rude and not to go pushing people again.
If I thought like JimmieKing, I would have pulled my gun out and shot her or beat her half to death with it and claimed she assaulted me. I have a bad back, and it is not feeling so good right now after being shoved. .
As you said, being older I restrained my self and let it go with just a verbal warning to not be so rude.
There are some people in this country and JimmyKing is one of them because of his admitted anger issues..
chamuiel Frank Zappa JimmieKing No, what those young PUNKS needed was what they never got at Home, that was some good Butt Beatings and Lessons on Respecting Elders, Women and Children. let me tell you Bud, I had a Trash Mouth when I was a Street Running Punk and Gang Member. But that Talk was never used by me nor would I not call out anyone using that kind of talk around Women and Children. I was a Punk who had I guess over 50-Arrests before age 20 some, I ran with what the FBI Calls REAL Bad Dudes and Real Gangsters. Not these Street Punk called Gangsters today wearing their Pants down around their Knees (maybe even their Shorts Backwards) and emptying a 30-round Clip while missing everyone but some little innocent kid doing nothing are was a sleep in their Bed. In my younger days, those kind would have maybe well been sent on to their Judgment Day. Thank the Lord God for Changing my Life and Saving my Soul, amen.
chamuiel mjz4043 First off, your a Lair and second, you have no idea what your talking about. You don’t know what I thought ofr one. Again is wasn’t about the Music, it was about the disrespect they were show to ladies and Children. So again, I understand your type, your Deaf and Dumb and have no BRAVE Showing Respect for others.
JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 ,,
what is a lair/ Is that a cave for wild animals/ I am sure you are familiar with lairs.
There are ways to show respect for women, children and other men without losing your temper and going all rambo.
once again, you are reduced to petty cheap insults that mean nothing.
even if you considered it an insult to women and children, you still had no right to do what you did.
you are not Judge and jury.
And that is exactly the part you played.
You have a bad temper, you seem to lose it quite frequently and also to lose control.
You are a danger to society., and to yourself.
Get help before it is too late for someone else or yourself.
By the way, there is nothing you can say in he way of childish cheap insults that will make me stoop to your level.
I am an adult, not a wayward child like yourself.
JimmieKing chamuiel Frank Zappa ,
Jimmie, lets be honest about something.
you are not showing respect to women and children.
that is just an excuse to do the things you do.
Aren,t you actually teaching children that it is acceptable to be violent? Would Jesus approve of that?
I bet Trayvon would approve of your violence, and could have learned from you.
It has nothing to do with you showing respect for women and chilsdren.
It has to do with you liking, loving, and need for violence.
from what you have said, Violence seems to be your preferred way of life.
Showing respect for women and children is just the excuse you use to justify your violence and actions.
this sickness you have of wanting to inflict violence upon your fellow man lies in some deep seated neuroses probably going back to something that happened to you in your childhood.
What ever it was, you have never been able to get past it and grow.
I feel pity for you, because it appears that you do not even know what you are doing..
You are not an avenging angel of the Lord.
If anything, you are more like a demon of the devil.
chamuiel JimmieKing mjz4043 Get off of it, the last time I lost my Temper was in 1991 when I chased a smart mouthed man into the Courtroom from the Hall. Frank Buck a State Rep. and Lawyer, and a couple other lawyers grabbed my arm just before I swung on the guy who was in the Hall with all those on the other side, and he jumped in a smart mouthed my wife and I had just stepped out of the Court Clerks Office when I went through the crowd after him and he ran into the Court Room into a corner.
I mean the former and now present District Attorney’s, the Circuit and Session Court Judges were still in that Court Room. But the smart mouthed young man sent a message by my young son to me, that he was sorry and out of place. He didn’t blame me for getting after him because he would have did the same if someone had did that to his wife. He told my son that he was sure glad all those people stopped me before those Big Arms (at that time) would have hit him. So we got along the next few days in Court. We talked and ate lunch at the same place every day.
You know, I recall Jesus going into the Temple Yard and using a Whip He made on People and turned over their Tables and turned their Birds and Animals loose. I remember God lost His Temper a number of times, and through Jesus (whom all things were Made and Done through for His father God), destroyed whole Nations including Men, Women, Children, and Animals to rid the Land of Evil.
I remember God said He was sorry He ever made Mankind, so He was going to destroy all of them including Animals and Birds, and He only spared Noah and his Family.
I remember God got Mad at His People and said He was going to Destroy them. Moses told God that if He did, to take his Name out of the Book of Life. God didn’t take Moses name out, but He did Destroy all but 2-of them over a 40-year Period. Oh, I can go on in case you have Read are Read and didn’t understand what you Read when reading the Bible.
chamuiel JimmieKing Frank Zappa You know sir, all I can say is your a Lair and have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea what I had for Breakfast are how I spent my day. Sp try cleaning-up your Front Yard so you can get to your Porch so you can clean it off before trying to tell others to clean-up their own Porch.
Frank Zappa JimmieKing Well I didn’t tell the whole story. It started when they pulled-up way out at gas Pumps and had their Stereo Blasting while a number of the Pumps had women gas-ing-up and other getting off from work waiting in Line. We were parked maybe 30-feet from them and I watched a couple people yelling and telling them to please turn their Music Down, some of those Auto where Travelers with Children in their cars. The place was a KFC and Taco Bell just of the Gordonville, TN. I-40 exit. Anyway those Punks were just laughing and smart mouthing back at those yelling at them. So I got out and walked back to their car and asked them nice if they would turn it down are off while they at the Gas Pumps. The driver who was still in-line waiting to get up to Pumps said OK man, and he turned it down. So after that and they got their Gas, they decided to drive-up and Park right next to us and start showing their Butts and Ignorance. I was 55-years old at that time, so I guess those Boys decided they wanted a apart of me, so they ended-up get a part of me, are I should say their Stereo did.
JimmieKing
Again why did you think it was your place to go rambo and take the law into your own hands?
it is a freaking miracle you have lived as long as you have.
chamuiel JimmieKing What do you do for the good of others, hide under your Bed are turn your head and walk on by like your deaf and dumb or worse-?
JimmieKing
I do not go all rambo and take the law into my own hands. That is illegal.
It is a complete wonder to me that you are still alive, and/or not in prison.
Besides who appointed you to be watchdog over other people?.
Actually, who appointed you to be judge over other people?
I am sure they did not ask you to.
You claim to have found God. If you had you would not act the way you do.
There is a time for everything according to the Bible, but nowhere does it say make yourself, policeman, judge and executioner over others.
I mind my own business. I am a good law abiding citizen, unlike your self.
chamuiel JimmieKing Amazing, I have a Certificate from the Wichita, Ks. Police Dept. along with a Personal Note and Thank You, and a New Paper Clipping to go along with that. I also Worked undercover for the Late Jim Miller with the FBI, Wichita Office. I have taken in what People call Bad Guys and I never had to pull a Gun, Threaten them, tie them-up are anything like that. Twice I even took my own son in. And I did it all for FREE, well once I was paid by FBI to go out of town and they also paid for my Motel Room they had set-up and they paid for my Meals, etc. The pay was a Whole $60.00 and I had to be away from my Businesses for 2 days. It is for sure you have no idea what you are talking about, you being one who does use your real name and won’t put your Picture up. I see why you mind your own business you say-? Oh, but the Proof says oh no you don’t. Your in mine and others people on here’s business because you have nothing else in Life to do and it appear you are lacking in Friends. But in truth, I’ll be your friend.
I both Managed and later Owned a Pawn Shop in the Bad North End of Wichita, Ks. 90% of those I did business with was Dark Colored Skinned People. At times I would have trouble with one are two over some-thing, Once I had a good Fight with one bad dude I couldn’t put down even though we fought and I got the best of him for a minute are so until it was broken-up. A Show case Glass got broken and some items were damaged, but that was just part of it.
I rented part of my Building to a Dark Color Skinned man who sold used tires. I many times went out in what was part of that end of Town and called Colored Town by most People. to look at a Big Stereo, are AC Unit, are Washer and Dryer, etc. because they had no way to handle are haul whatever into the Pawn Shop. Most of the time I would reject what they had because it was from a Rental Company. The Welfare Dept. would stand good for some-things and even pay for some-things for them, that including TVs, Stereos, Beds, Washers and Dryers, and AC Units. Most every New Home Sewing Machine that came in, we would go ahead and load them a certain amount of money on, because the Place that Sold and Rented them told us to take them in and call them, and they would give us our Money We Loaned on their Machines.
I use to go across the Tracks, Really, to where some of the Good-Time Houses were. I was 15 when I first started going to those Places to buy Booze for PINK Colored Skinned People who were not welcome over there. You had to know well who you were doing business with are they would get your money and they were gone. So the Good-Time House Owners knew and Trusted me, so they did Business with me while those I was buying for had to stay in their Cars, mean while guys would come up to them and hustle and Scare them into giving them some money while I was inside. But I had warned them, so it was their fault. That dealing at the Good Time Houses ended one Sunday afternoon when A couple paid me to go get them some Booze. While I was inside, BIG — went up to their Cars and told them I had slipped out the Back Door and was gone with their money. So he told them to give him $20.00 and he would go in and get what they wanted and be right back out. Well he took off with their money so after they let me out at my Home, they called the Law and CANE broke-out across the Tracks, and I was no longer allowed in or at any of those many Good-Time Houses, I was around 18 at that time.
To be Honest with you, I have loaned and gave to many People of different Colors of Skin. I have been burnt by 99% of them, and 90% of them were Dark Colored Skinned People for some reason. ,, God Bless, oldgrapeape
Frank Zappa fothgt1 JimmieKing chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan A good Sermon. All I know is what God has done for me, and I have PROOF both by Medical Records and By Doctors and others there in Surgery Rooms.
You see, I was Born Totally Blind and my Parents was told I would never see again. My Mother had Mountain moving Faith, and my Dad didn’t believe in God until 2-weeks before his Death when he gave his life to the Lord. We did not know that until after we had came from the Graveyard and a Pastor of a Church that knew my parents had just got back in town for the Funeral but missed it. They told how Dad walked into their Church one evening and they had no idea what he was going to do, after all, he was always cursing Preachers and giving Mom what fore every time we came in from Church. The pastor said Dad told them a Voice spoke to him and said He was God, and this would be his only and last Chance to make things Right with Him, so my Dad did and never told us.
Anyway, God healed my eyes but He left a Knot on each Eye Lid as a Reminder and a Witness.
I came down with a Large Tumor on my upper Right Arm when I was 5 or 6-years old. The County Hospital wanted to Operation my Arm and remove that big thing that hurt carrying it around. They said it could be Cancer and they may have to remove my Arm at the Shoulder, my Mother said NO, Jesus will Heal him. My Mom then send to an Evangelist named Jack Cole and he sent an Anointed Cloth my Mom kept pined inside the Arm of one of my older Brother’s Shirts I had to wear, because my shirts would not fit over that large thing on my Arm.
One day I was out back of the House playing when a Sheriff’s car pulled up and stopped. A Officer and a Nurse got out head for the front door and they had some Papers in their Hands. My Mother ended-up opening the Screen Door and told me to come in the House. I walked up the steps and as I was walking through the Door way into the Kitchen where the Officer and Nurse were standing. My Mother said while pulling up my Shirt Sleeve, “It is gone, the Lord Healed Jimmie’s arm.” I was as surprised as the Officer and Nurse were who had the Court Order to take me to the County Hospital for Surgery. That thing was GONE, and God left a Hole in my upper Right Arm with a very small Knot in it as a Reminder and a Witness, amen.
I can go on with much more, including my dying 9-different times, and should have died a year ago when my Pacemaker/Defib. went off 12-different time. The First Jolt should have killed me, because the Company, one of those men who was there when I died 7-times when trying to put a Pacemaker in was there in the Room. Anyway, the Defib was turned-up to put out around 800-Voltsstraight to the Heart, when they tell me 425 Volts to the Body can be fatal., so that first Jot over 39-minutes should have killed me.
My Heart Doctor, Dr. Paul Jackson in Murfreesboro, TN. said there was a Spiritual Warfare going on in that Surgery Room. They Devil was trying every-thing he could to kill me, but God refused to let me go, He still had more for me to do for Him.
JimmieKing Frank Zappa fothgt1 chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan
Dang Son you need to be a little easier on yourself, that hurts just thinking about ALL the trauma you have gone through. My philosophy is simple when it is my time to go it is time to go BUT I will do as much as I can to live and take care of this temple before I die. Believe me I am in NO RUSH to die, because 6′ ft. above ground is better than 6′ below ground. I have much to do before Jesus come back, BUT he WILL come back because he said he would.
Frank Zappa JimmieKing fothgt1 chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan Amen to that, we are all here to Serve His Purpose, not ours. This World and Life is not about us, It is a Battle between Good and Evil in the Spirit Rim. God said we should enjoy the Fruits of our Labors, and those who won’t Work, should Starve. This World for us Christians is just a Land we are Passing through, but while here, we are trying hard to get others ready to pass through with us, that is our Purpose God has for us.
I was Born Blind, but by the Power of God and a Praying and Believing in Jesus Mother, I gained my sight and God left a Small Knot on Both Eye Lids as a Reminder and for a Witness, I have a Hole in my upper Right Arm with a small Knot in it . From God Healing me when the County went to Court and came out with a Court Order to pick me up and maybe take my Arm Off at my Shoulder. I have been Dead 9-Times (Doctors, Saint Jude Pacemaker/Defib. Company Employees can also witness this), but God seen fit to Bring me Back to Serve His Purpose, not mine. I have been Crushed and was a DOA for around 45-minutes and on my way to Under-Takers when God Brought me Back ( long Story involved in these happenings). But I’m more than happy to speak and witness about these things and give names, etc, in my e-mail of or at ,, God Bless, Jimmie
Frank Zappa fothgt1 chamuiel mjz4043 Always a Marine GrumpyOldMan Gee, it is like way Posts wasn’t put up when I was witnessing about the Lord. Now one about the Lord is “Pending” instead of being posted. Maybe because of my e-mail addies (?) So I just say jimmie @ king4us .com are oldgrapeape @ yahoo . com and maybe that will satisfy whoever(?)
My friend Dale and his Buddy was in that Surgery Room just to show my Heart Doctor a New Proto Type Pacemaker and very Advanced Cables. Dale said after I died the first time, his buddy wanted to leave, but he said no, let’s stay, let wait and talk to Dr. Jackson and show him this New machine because we don’t know when we will ever get another chance to. Anyway. I remember slipping away and coming back to them a few times, even talked to a nurse twice and a Doctor once as I recall, then I was gone again and they would again start using the Paddles on me to no avail. That happened 7-times over a few hours until the last time the Doctors said it was over, they could do no more.
Dale said after the forth time of my dying, he walked over to a surgery window and stood there asking the Lord what was going on. It was un-heard off and had never happened. It isn’t found in any Medical Books. But with my being Dead and gone, Dr. Jackson gave them the OK to put their New Type with the advanced cables in my heart. All of a sudden, My Heart started beating again and worked like a Clock, that is until a year ago when my Heart had a Third Beat start-up and caused my Defib. to knock me on the Ground 3-diferent times. For 39-minutes it took for an ambulance to get here, the Defib, went off 12-times their Computer said. There was nothing anyone could do. So the Lord heard our Prayers and He stopped the Defib. from going off anymore. My wife had called my son in AL. and I told him it was over and I would see him in Heaven. I had grown so weak and had already wet my self among other things. The next day I went into Surgery again and right off the bat, the Lord cause the Center of my Heart to Fire and the Doctors seen just where it was coming from and was able to Laser it and that would keep it from happened again. That also was a First. The Doctor have to try to make the Center of your Heart Fire and Hope they can get it to and that they can figure-out where it is coming from. Thank You Jesus.
Anyone who does not believe any of this, you are welcome to come and check out my Eyes, my Arm, My Back that has been broken twice, once when my ex-and late wife’s boyfriend tried killing me by crushing me between a Forklift and a Tractor Loader Bucket. I was a DOA for around 45-minutes and the Lord seen fit to bring me back, and by doing so, This Backslidden Sinner was able to Lead a Dying of Cancer Jew to the Lord and he was Healed of that Cancer he was in the Hospital to die from, amen.
I now have a Blown Disc in my Back and I have a Broken Cable in my Back, and nothing can be done with either. I have a number of what is called Heart-Attacks and I never go to Hospital. I had my 6th month Heart Doctor’s appointment a few months ago, and I didn’t go and put it off for another 6-months because I can’t afford all the Doctors, Hospitals Bills (have 6 or 7 I’m paying on monthly) plus all the Medications I take. The Lord Healed me of Sugar and my having to take at least 3-20unit Shots a day and some-times more. So God will keep me alive as long as I am serving His Purpose, not mine, amen.
But for those Who Buy into People Dying and Going to Heaven and Returning, are going to Hell and Returning. I can tell you it isn’t Bible, but against what the Bible Teaches.
My son got ripped-off Bad on a Toyota 4×4. It should not have been allowed on the Streets. The Frame was so Rusted I could not touch a Welding Rod to it without bit blowing through. The Dealer had taken that piece of junk and made it look good, but I pushed in some on a Fender and my Hand went through the Fender. My son had put $800.00 down on that Truck and the Dealer wouldn’t let him have his money back, so I wouldn’t let my son pay anymore money on it. So the Dealer was there when I went to talk to him, but he and the others in that Office seen I was upset, so they said the owner was gone and wouldn’t be back for a few days.
Well they sent a Roll Back and 2-men to pick-up that Truck that was here on my Property. So I was down in my back and in my PJs, so I had my Wife to Video tape what took places just for a record. I walked out and told those to Men to wait a minute, I wanted to do some Body Work on that Truck before they Loaded it up. So I took my 8lb. Hammer and my first swing was in the Middle of the Hood, Then Roof breaking the windshield, then I went and got the driver’s front Fender, then the Door, then the Rear Fender where my Hammer went all the way through. then I got Tailgate, then Fenders and Door on the other side, OH and I got both Door Glasses, Grill and Headlights. I then told those men I was done and they could now load it up, and to tell their Boss to Sue Me. I came in and called the Sheriff’s Offices in this County and told them what I did. So if he come over here and draws a Warrant on me, just call me and I’ll come in. They laughed, told me I was to funny are crazy, I don’t remember which, and said OK that they would call me if someone came and got a Warrant on me. Now to me I was being a Good Citizen getting an Accident waiting to happen off the Roads.
JimmieKing ,
you just keep proving you have anger management problems.
Did you ever think of documenting the trucks problems and going to court?
Of course not, once again just like someone who has no self control you took the law in your own hands,
get some counseling.
chamuiel JimmieKing Have you taken an IQ Test lately-? Your starting to sound like it would be 2 or less friend.
JimmieKing chamuiel
Jimmie, I must say that I have been wanting to tell you that you do have a anger problem. I really have to agree with Chamuiel, you should speak to someone about your outburst before God forbid you hurt someone or maybe get hurt yourself. There are times you need to get angry at people, but its seems that is how you handle all situations. God Bless…….
JimmieKing ,
Now your true self is starting to show again. You are reduced to weak petty insults.
As far as IQ, I qualified for Mensa.
anything else is simply not your business.
You?
elnegron77 JimmieKing chamuiel
there is a time for anger, but Jimmieking does seem to use anger and violence to solve all his problems.
You would think by the age he is now, he would have learned there are better ways.
chamuiel elnegron77 JimmieKing If you would have been read and remembering what you read, you would have seen I have changed, but not a Change to make me a Christian Coward who would step-up and confront Evil. The fact is, I am a Chaplain.
Now when it comes to anger, the Bible says to be angry, but don’t Sin. So are you Judging ME and JESUS, and MOSES, and PETER, and PAUL, and John The Baptist-? Who made you Judge over whom God Made-?
JimmieKing chamuiel elnegron77
Jimmie, as I said I was holding my comments back and just reading yours. I had to say something when you commented that chamuiel’s IQ must be “2 or less”. I would call that judging, you say that you have changed, I would say that maybe your less violent but by your own words there seems to be much anger in how you handle situations.
You also seem to think that everything is evil, i would say that them kids playing their stereo loud is not evil, immature and disrespectful yes. I was on the train once and an individual got on, he started cursing and screaming at everyone. I started to pray and asked God that he remove this person from my presence (believe me I wanted to get up smack him and tell him to shut up) as I prayed he turn around and looked directly at me and said, “do you think that your God could help you”. I kept praying (I was not praying out loud, therefore he had no idea what I was saying to God) and it was as if he was hearing every word I said. The more I prayed the louder and more repulsive he became. I looked him in the eyes and continued to pray until he shut up and got off the train. That my friend was evil, and I did not have to get up and punch him in the face. And believe me if it came down to that I would not hesitate one moment. I live in NY and constantly have to ask young people to turn down their stereo’s or stop cursing and thank God I have not had to get violent with them. Assert some authority yes, and afterwards thank them.
Remember that most of the times the only Bible that people around you will see is You. I pray that you would be an open Bible that when people ask why you are so happy and content you can tell them it’s because you have Jesus on the inside working on your outside. God Bless……
we have a major problem in America. Today’s children are bringing up themselves, thanks to the liberal establishment. They take Mom out of the home by taking the dad out of the picture entirely. Kids need parents, discipline and love and many aren’t getting anything of the kind. Mom is being replaced by day care, Dad is being replaced by no one and the kids are lost. I’m old enough to have been watching it all take place slowly over the the past many decades. May God bless those kids and turn them around before their lives get totally ruined.
KathleenPedersen Yes Kathleen: You are in fact VERY correct, (Unfortunately). There was intelligent design to damage the children over the last 40 to 50 years. In part it was due to “The Progressive Income Tax” which started back in 1943, which was to be a “Temporary Income Tax.” Like everything else the “Temporary” became permanent, as we all know. This revenue NEVER went to pay for rebuilding other nations BUT went to “International Bankers” AKA the IMF (International Monetary Fund” which is where our cash goes to today when taxes are paid, ALL of what we hear is BULL$hift.
One income would not cut the increase of goods and services, plus taxes, Plus, Plus, Plus. I was there when the conversation went something like, Well Honey IF I were to work part time somewhere it would really make a difference in getting some “Extras.”
Like you said and observed Dad was no where to be found MOST of the time also by design. Most Men to this day are looked at by the media as incompetent fools who mostly cant find the front door in leaving the house. This may be true to an extent BUT regardless of what the media says dads play an integral roll in a son / daughter relationship, when push comes to shove dads are important. Moms generally are nurturing by nature and dads teach boys how to become Men. From here the equation is really simple, tear down either mom or dad and it does not take long for the family unit to disintegrate, also by design.
While I could go on I am sure that you understand the point.
Frank Zappa KathleenPedersen
That campaign to damage our children and families goes back further than 40-50 years. Our educational system was surrendered to the liberals who followed the philosophy and practices of Dewey.
Dewey was a man who hated God, despised values based on Judeo/Christian principles, and the “rigid” structure of discipline in the school, traditional curriculuum, and much more.
That “educational system” has been captured by the power of the state – which now exercises central control over all our children. It now produces “children for the State.” Tell me how this isn’t socialism? – No God, no Bible, no Creationism, no patriotism, no honor of our founding, our Constitution, but they can sing “Barack Obama, mmm, mmm, mmm”
Always a Marine Frank Zappa KathleenPedersen Yes Dewey in fact did hate God, I used 40 – 50 years as when I recalled the conversations heard from others, I am older than 40-50 yrs. BUT in regard that this plot to screw Americans with the progressive income taxes and MORE goes back to and maybe even Before Dewey. I believe that “The New World Order” concept goes back to the late 18th early 19th century, with the formation of “Lucifer Trust” then someone with some insight toned it down to “Lucius Trust” thus moving the idea of the “One Worlder’s” closer to their goals. One last comment about Dewey…He’s in a better place, something about “Fire and Brimstone.”
The point about The Commander & Thief and about kids singing his praises is the same mentality in Hitler’s Nazi Germany, and Za Boound Rallies, Ya, King Obozo is at it again. Too bad I can’t send a little background music from the 30’s / 40’s with the Hitler youth rallies for a little Hitler flavor.
Frank Zappa Always a Marine KathleenPedersen
Frank, you’re right that the destructive political influences do precede Dewey. As I study our history I believe that the democrat party was flawed from its beginning.
However, the real subversive agenda came 100 years ago with the presidency of Woodrow Wilson. As far as I know no other president publicly announced that the Declaration of Independence was not a valid document as it relates to principles and values. He said it was nothing more than a list of grievances, and applicable only to the founding period. For us, it would be nothing more than a museum exhibit.
He also relegated the Constitution to the dust bin of history claiming that it held values, etc. that could be applied for today, but that it was not sufficient to meet the needs of a growing, modern society.
One last point – he also claimed that the constitutional form of gov’t was ineffective, worked too slow, and was in need of “new interpretations.” It’s no surprise that, he worked to acquire more power for the executive, and minimize the role of Congress. Actually is goal was to develop a gov’t that would be administered by bureaucrats.
All of these excesses are being brought to fruition by Dear Leader and the progressive democrats.
Now, I used the word “excesses.” In reality, they are subversions of our individual rights described in the Declaration and the Constitution which was formed to protect our individual rights.
I’ll say that the democrat party is comprised of un-patriotic, un-Americans, anti-Americans. My basis for that claim is simple – how can anyone be judged a patriot if they are working to destroy our founding documents?
Frank Zappa Always a Marine KathleenPedersen Well it is to bad I don’t know how to do that stuff, because I have many Old War Stories a 70-some year old friend of mine up in the Windy City sent me. he is a Big and very smart and up to date War Buff. But one of those DVDs shows those little kids Sining the Hitler Praise and Worship Song.
Always a Marine Frank Zappa KathleenPedersen TV began with the undermining the Father in the home when the sit coms started making a fool of Dads. That war is still going on. I’m 84 and have watched several generations grow up and it was all downhill/trashy garbage. The language kids use today is nasty, movies are nasty, TV is nasty and I am saddened by it all. I truly lived in the “Good old days.” Today’s kids are missing out! Am frustrated trying to think of how to get it back…….can we?
KathleenPedersen Always a Marine Frank Zappa
Kathleen I know how you feel. I wish my children and grandchildren could have known what America was like before the liberals became so strong.
KathleenPedersen Always a Marine Frank Zappa
Kathleen I wish that I could have the America that we once had. I desperately wish that we could have the America we once had. Here is the problem, WE have the type of Government we want or deserve. WHY, the people of this great nation have left the basic foundation of WHY and HOW this country was formed, and that was by and for GOD. IF you recall or that you do an historical background check on this country you will find the Quakers, and multiple religious groups that formed this country, including most ALL of our constitutional framers of the constitutional “Fathers.” Some historians claim that they were “Deists” yet this is not entirely correct perhaps a few but MOST were followers of Christ and that is what is missing in this country today…..Christ IS the missing element. Our Congress still has prayer before they convene their business for the day. WHY??? IF we as a nation were not founded on the principles of God why waste time just get on with the business of the nation…..MORE our Nation is riddled in religious symbolism.
Example: In the 40’s kids having a bad attitude meant “gum chewing” in class. now from the 40’s until now we have a problem with knives and guns being brought to school. I lived in a time that we could buy a gun from a magazine. NO BACKGROUND checks none. Guess What No murders in that particular age….Hummmm
WE, THIS COUNTRY have left GOD not that he left us WE left him, HOW; We asked for prayer to leave the classroom in about 1950 / 60 around that period of time. Then we removed the 10 commandments, they basically turned into the 10 suggestions. We lost the ability to say the pledge of allegiance because it contained the phrase “One Nation Under God.” The Atheist stepped in and said we object to your God, so now we are interested in appealing to the Atheist, instead of telling them to stuff it. SO we have what we have today, again WHY, because God is not a bully but a gentleman and he has lifted his hedge of protection from this land. We wanted to KILL CHILDREN so we have what we wanted which is abortion. To date we have killed some 50 / 60 Million children, babies that will never ever have a chance to grow up and be cool, and live a full life.
NOW we are at the end of our life span in this country EXCEPT THAT this country turn back to its origin which was built on Judeo / Christian values WE ARE DONE. We may as well stick a fork in us now and get ready to be served up as a meal to those seeking to concur this country.
With the Moron in the Whitehouse, this is what we signed on for even IF there is voter fraud. We will be lucky IF Obama leaves the Whitehouse. HE loves the power and is Psychotic. I have been told that Obama WILL BE our last president for this country.
My Mother is your age so that means that I am about 20 years younger than you, and in some ways I envy your age. Apparently your views match with my view in that I have seen the degradation of this country it’s TV programs its Music, IF you can even call it that these days, this “Rap Music” is nothing short of perverted. There is only one hope in this world and there is only one way out and that is through what Jesus did for us 2,000 years ago. Judgment of this nation is coming and it is coming soon. This entire country has had MASSIVE water shortages and that means the price of food has risen drastically. Satanic and Occult practices are on the rise, an Example was Beyoncé at the Super Bowl in that her eyes changed from brown to Black and her features in her throat changed to about twice normal size. Her hand gesture was that of Satanic “Cultic” Satanic signature. We will continue to have Earthquakes, famine, diseases we have no cure for, and more. There is a new sexually transmitted disease that will kill most within days, not weeks or months but days 24 to 72 Hrs. This was all foretold by Mathew: The Apostle in Mathew 24. No hidden agenda, just accurate data.
I would appeal to you THIS DAY, IF you are not following Jesus, I am suggesting and urging that you do and that you do it soon. America as far as I see it is NOT moving to Christ but far from him, so as WE as a nation move from him then we will get more of the same and WORSE. I am interested in the saving the souls of as many as I can for Jesus, as the alternative is VERY ugly. You really don’t want the alternative.
Frank Zappa This is totally off topic, but I am very curious as to why you use the name Frank Zappa. I went to high school (Antelope Valley Joint Union High School) in Lancaster, California, with Frank Zappa. He graduated in about 59 and I graduated in 61. He was an upper classman and I remember him skulking around the halls…kept pretty much to himself. We were not friends, but acquaintances. Very odd fella, even back then, but highly intelligent.
mjz4043 Frank Zappa
You asked a question that’s been on my mind too.
mjz4043 Frank Zappa
Yes Zappa WAS very odd and as you pointed out, and I guess that we are all odd to some degree or….Unique. Zappa was very intelligent at the same time as you pointed out. I know why Zappa never made it as big in the world of Rock as he had hopped to but that’s another story. I use the last name because I usually “Zap” others who are of liberal leaning in their outlook on life thus a play on words. Frank was also an excellent musician, so out of all that Frank had that was “Excellent” I work on the side of the “Conservative” equation of what I hope to be excellent or as much excellence as possible. I went to Saratoga High School in Saratoga where we turned out a Hollywood producer which you may know that was the director for Jurassic Park and there were others from my class who work for Disney to this day. It also seems that you are a few “Not Many” years older than me, as I graduated in 69…Yes the “Supposedly and alleged 69.” My World view from then until now has radically changed and I serve The Lord rather than Serve the Devil, for which I did a great job for him when I was younger. I regret that it took me so long to switch over to The Real Power instead of the false reality that the Devil and his angles offer on a daily basis. I don’t mind answering the question but I do have some fun with the last name. Some think in other forums that I am of a liberal leaning and that draws them out of the shadows because they feel that I am a liberal until they read the conservative side of the argument…..Then I get to move in for the kill so to speak…Feel free to ask what you may have as questions arise. God & Country are my biggest concern in this life and what ever we have left of it….Jesus is not just an answer HE is THE Answer.
Frank Zappa Thanks for the answer. I always followed his career even if we did not travel in the same circles in school. Frank was one of those fellas who did things his way and would not kowtow to anyone. You have to admire anyone who puts his principles first. Sad that he had to die so young.
Frank Zappa mjz4043 God Bless you Bro. (Brother in Christ). I have a 1-Ton Yellow Box Truck we don’t drive anymore and it hasn’t been fired-up in 4 or 5 years, maybe more. But on both side in Black Paint, is the TEN COMMANDMENTS. I use to carry about every-thing one needed to almost over-haul a car along a Roadway. I kept 5-Gallons of Gas , Compressor, Big Floor Jacks, Welding and Cutting Touch and Tanks, etc. etc. I would always stop and help whoever, no mater Skin Color are what they looked like, etc. Some-times I would have to run them back and forth to Town for parts and taking back parts, etc. If it was a Women alone in her auto, I would tell her before going up to her auto, to roll-up her Window and Lock her Doors. It it was a flat, I would tell them to pop their Trunk if they had a Spare and I would change it out for them. I never received nor would I take a PENNY, not even if I put that 5-Gallons of gas in their car are Truck. Yet I can’t tell you how many times that Truck with me in it had been shot at. But I can’t tell you either how many times people would take pictures of that Truck are come up to me in a Parking Lot like at Wal Mart, and thank me for having that wrote on my Truck. Some-times there would be people form 2 or 3 different Denominations there, we would talk, have Prayer and go our way. I can tell you I have had People, mainly young Females coming cursing God and Spiting on my Truck and walk off laughing. . To me, I’m will be 69-in Jan., it is “ALL” about Jesus 24/7 with me. The Lord is FIRST in my Life and Family, amen. ,, God Bless and keep-up the Good Work Bro.
Frank Zappa KathleenPedersen Always a Marine Amen, keep Preaching it, Praise be to God, amen
mjz4043 Frank Zappa
Yup same with me, when I was young he produced an Album that you would remember called “Freak Out,” when the album was played at 33 1/3 on vinyl was bazar enough but had some redeeming value, but what you may not know is that when you took the same album and played this at 16 rpm, then what you heard when listening to “Suzie Cream Cheese” towards the latter part of the album was rather perverse language such as the F word and more. My friend Bill who later died in a swimming pool while on acid revealed this little known factoid to me. Assuming that one could get a vinyl record and a turn table to match, I would imagine that all of this would still be discoverable.
Zappa was a man who insisted doing things his way for sure and would NOT bend for anyone, this is THE single reason he did not make it “Big Time” in the Rock World. Bill Graham and Zappa had a little disagreement which killed his chances of being promoted in the world of rock, notwithstanding Frank DID get the recognition from his Peers which kept him going. Frank also poked fun at MANY of the races that we were at odds with in this country, and stood up for the Blacks. His album Sheik UR Booty was one such album, and Weasels rip my flesh, plus more. Originally my belief is that Frank was born and raised Catholic, as themes from his music seem to support his malevolence of God and religion as a whole.
Frank died at an early age of colorectal cancer for which did not need to happen. My hope is that he accepted Jesus before he died, but I am not sure he did.
Frank Zappa mjz4043
That’s a blast from the past. I remember listening to Susie Cream Cheese – rather racy for that time.
Frank Zappa Not that it really matters, but, as I recall, his death was due to prostate cancer that had spread extensively. I guess he was in bad, bad shape.
mjz4043 Frank Zappa Yup my mistake you are correct about the prostate cancer…but I was close, in the general ballpark area.
Frank Zappa KathleenPedersen Yes, you nailed it. I grew-up in a Poor Welfare Family because my Dad was struck down with a Heart that was twice as Large as it should have been, and he died young in from of us Gasping for Air in front of a Swamp Cooler. Dad had worked-out an old Swamp Cooler at a Salvage and got it to working, which had been put in the window in the dinning room where one of my older brothers and I slept. That day I spent all day outside with my Dad watching him work on a Car he worked-out at a Salvage also. It was a 1949 Ford with a Blown Engine. When my dad Died, the Welfare Dept. held out $10.00 for the Swamp Cooler and $10.00 for the Car out of our Welfare Check that came in the same day when my Dad had died at 3am that morning. That was on June the 1st. 1957. You see, back then on Welfare, they Popped In and Out of your House 2 or 3-times a month to check and see how much Food you had left that matched-up with your Store Receipts. They Checked under your Beds and in your Closets to see if you were Hiding anything like a TV are some New Cloths are new Shoes. You were not allowed any of that stuff back then. We got ONE Pair of Shoes a year, we always had to put Cardboard in the Bottoms where the Hole was, put Tape around them to hold the Soles on. We went Barefoot all summer and walked to and from Church Barefoot. Our Cloths Mom made out of those Print are Stripped are Flowered Flower Sacks when they were empty.
I remember being so proud of the New Pants, Shirt, and Shoes and even a Barber Shop Hair Cut an older brother paid for, The older bother whose wife would not let him even talk to Dad are us for well over a year when Dad died. Yet they lived a Block down the street in a House dad helped them Build and past by our House going daily to and from work. Anyway, we had to go find him with the Girl Scout Group at the Lake and tell him Dad had died. yes, things were so much different Back when People were Real People and some had to be on Welfare, not this FREE BEE Boat 95% of those on Welfare are riding because they are stinking Lazy, sluggard and should have to Starve like the Bible Teaches.
KathleenPedersen Amen, your Right On. Families First is the MAIN Cause of the Single Mother Pay-day thing going on out there today.
I’ve worked with many said to be Single Moms on Families First. EVERYONE I dealt with and bought Food for are helped them with a Need, were all on DRUGS. The Baby’s Dad in most Cases Lived in the House and would hide if the Law Drove By and some Stranger drove-up. You see, the Dad’s in about 30% of those cases had Jobs getting paid good under the Table, are they spent their Nights Breaking into Cars and Homes stealing. They were hiding because of not paying Child Support. Once maybe every year are 2-yearsthey would get popped for some-thing, maybe speeding and not having DLs because of not paying Child Support. They are always on Probation, some-times the child’s Mother also. They get caught, go to Jail for 2 to 4-weeks and put on anther Probation where they have to Report and pay Probation Fees and Court Costs, which they don’t. If Families First Check comes in, the Mother will pay a Bondman to get them out on Bond and they are off playing the same game again.
Most on Drugs and Families First, will take their Food Stamp Card to their DRUG DEALER who will Hold that Card until the next Families First Check Comes in, then they go and redeem their Food Stamp Card back from Drug Dealer.
Now as for Food, they Buy a little on their Food Stamp card, then hit Churches up for Food, etc. We ALWAYS gave and some-times over and over to the same-ones we were trying to help and had even Baptized them and their Children. Most I dealt with were Buying Morphine Pills and they would crush them, mix in water and shot it in their necks so they didn’t have to use as much and got a Fast Buzz.
Now these People are drawing Food Stamps, yet they do not fix Meals for their Children. Their Children get up and go to School, get a FREE Breakfast, then a Free Lunch, and some Programs feed them Children of a Evening before they leave School, are at Park and Civic Centers. They also Fix Meals and Feed those Children on Saturdays and some Churches Feed them on Sundays. So WHY are they, the Mothers allowed to even draw Food Stamps to Feed their Children with to start with-? The Parents should be picked-up by those School Buses and hauled out and made to Clean-up our Roadways and Creeks and Streams, etc. Make them Mow with Weed Eaters along our Guard Rails instead of our Paying BIG Contract Fees to Companies to do that stuff. They can even Clean-up, Trim, and Mow Tax Payer’s Yards who are paying them now to lay around in Bed all day with whoever Drink Pop and Drug-ing so they can get PG and have more Kids to receive More FREE BEES form Tax Payers.
KathleenPedersen
That problem is identified by the ideology pushed by the progressive democrats.Dear
Leader illustrated it during his last deceitful campaign. Remember
“The Life of Julia?” From birth to end – Julia had Dear Leader looking
over her and caring for her. No need of the nuclear family, no need of
mom or dad, no need of extended family. Above all – no need of
initiative, personal responsibility and accountability. Socialism is
there to keep you enslaved to the gov’t teat.
Always a Marine KathleenPedersen Amen to that, Now it is to the Fraud Kenya Obama’s Government, not the American Government.
I’m having to ask myself if there is a AGAINST Christian Bias on this Site. Seems to much of what I take the time to Hunt and Peck out, doesn’t show-up are all of a sudden, all I have written just up and stops working. All I do is Preach the Truth and Step on some toes, but Toes being stepped-on always heal, so what is the big deal site are page monitor-?
JimmieKing Perhaps they are just tired of your moth.
chamuiel JimmieKing It could be, But the Truthful Mouth is always trying br Stopped, but WE never will be. Yippers, the TRUTH CUTS to the marrow. Boy, are Bones must really be hurting.
JimmieKing chamuiel This was a thread about Zimmerman/trayvon.
You have taken it, ands made it your own bragging post. Is that the way you have lived your entire life?
You claim to be Christian is a strange type of finding God.
Whose bones?
Not mine.
chamuiel JimmieKing You are a very lonely, sad and miserable person. I don’t recall you having anything good to say about anyone but yourself. You are one I bet that every-time you keyboard some-thing, you stop and smile at yourself, don’t you-?
I have this little signed Glued to my Bathroom mirror, that is why I don’t look in the Mirror much, Because that sign says, “I am looking at my Problems face to face.” Anyway, it sounds to me that you have no idea what a Christian is to start with, do you-?
JimmieKing
Yes, you have admitted to having many violent anger problems.
You poor pathetic person.
All you have is childish insults.
chamuiel JimmieKing You are like trying to talk to a liberal CHILD. It is a waste of people’s time.
JimmieKing
Yes, talking to you is a waste of time.
JimmieKingAlways a MarineMarieDevinechamuielBushmaster0369
I fully agree. Zimmerman was within his rights to protect his own life.Justice for Travon? It was delivered in the form of a bullet.
Always a Marine JimmieKing MarieDevine chamuiel Bushmaster0369 What gets me is what some of those Jurors are NOW SAYING. They tried every-thing they could to get SOME-THING on Zimmerman because there wasn’t anything to get him on.
Now some of those women Jurors are already writing a Book and looking for a Publisher. They are coming back NOW to suck-up with the Dark Colored Skinned people they are scared to Death of, and they Calling Zimmerman a Murder.
To me it goes far beyond their out-right ignorance, it is Pity and their Emotions showing for the Parents of the young man who cause his own Death by his actions. They had Pity and Heavy Emotions for the young Dark Colored Skinned Female who got caught from the onset with her Lies and lying. Maybe the reason she told Trayvon’s Mother she was 16-years old when she was 18, was because if she would have said there in0front of Marin’s Mom and those from those other her took to the Home to tell Trayvon’s Mother what she thought had happened, we because she may of has Sex with Trayvon and therefore she would have been Arrested because he was under age(?) Amazing that question was never asked. Anyway, the Lady’s not being able to Read was her and her Parents FAULT. Parents not willing to are will to FORCE her to Study. I only have a GED, but back then I passed the 2-day Test with Flying Colors without ever studying and I was there at that place because a friend and his wife talked me into riding with tem so they could take the GED Test themselves. One LEARNS far more at Home Studying than they will ever Learn in a School Class Room.
The facts are, You LEARN by BOTH Experiences and Studying. When I was in Grade School, we had Very Few Dark Colored Skinned Students in that School, even though my 6th Grade Teacher was Dark Colored Skinned Lady, Miss. More was her Name, and the School’s name was FINN School in Wichita, Ks. I will say EVERY Dark Colored Skinned persons in my Classes , and ONE PINK Colored Skinned Male) WOULD NOT Study, and would just Flat Set There doing nothing when Tests were given every Wed, and Fridays. So to pity the Dark Colored Skinned Lying Witness is OK, but DO NOT feel Sorry for her. It was her Choice to Do her School Work in Class, and do her Home Work at Home, and do extra Studying between in Reading Books, Writing your Thoughts down, are writing Letters to People, etc. No excuse for being Ignorant other than being Lazy thereby making yourself Ignorant as this lady did,
I hope what needs to Happen to those Jurors, the Prosecutors and that Judge, is that someone will walk-up to them on a Side-Walk, in Wal Mart are a Parking Lot and smack the Dead in the Nose hard enough to Break it. then through them on the ground and set on them and maybe hit them once are twice, and then Watch and Listen to them yelling for Help because of being Stunned, Hurting, and being Scared for their Lives. Notice I did not say pound their Heads on Cement are even on Grass. That is a sure fire way of PROVING to them and the People with enough Common Sense who have never walked in those Shoes (been in a Right Fight where your on the Ground and a person on top of you won’t stop smacking you.
Then the Person who First Smacked them is Arrest and Charged with AB&W or Simple Assault in which h they can receive an 11-29 (11-months and 29-Days) Probation. All because they were looking at someone different, are spoke a Hello when they should have ran because the Aggressor spoke to them are bumped into them, etc. So the Defendant is Arrested and back out on the Streets and telling everyone what he did and how cool it was. Mean while YOU the Victim will have all the Pain, Doctor and Hospital Bills YOU Have T0 Pay
Trayvon Martin was under the Influence of POT, Trayvon also had gone to that 7-11 and purchased 2-of the 3-Items needed to make a Powerful DRUG-DRINK. A Drink that can also be Fatal.
JimmieKing Always a Marine MarieDevine chamuiel Bushmaster0369
I heard the one say that Zimmerman got away w/murder. What a despicable comment.
Well, she’ll serve to keep the racial animosity fired up.