Yesterday, which happened to be my ninth wedding anniversary, marked the end of the life of Fred Phelps. Fred Phelps was the founder and patriarch of Westboro Baptist Church. This “church,” a tiny group with a huge voice, was known for picketing the funerals of our soldiers with their “God Hates Fags” message. They represent all that homosexuals think Christians really are. And you know things are bad when even the KKK has protested your protests. Wow.
I remember distinctly the first time I came into contact with members of this “congregation.” ((I’m assuming it was they, but it could have been a clone church preaching the same message. When I asked one of the agitators what church he belonged to, all he would say, after looking very bewildered, was, “I’m a member of the church of Jesus Christ.” He had been flipping through pages in his Bible looking very pious, and apparently he didn’t understand my questions at first because he was so lost in heavenly splendor.)) I was at Georgia Tech, and I had been witnessing to a number of homosexual classmates. One lesbian in particular was very interested in Christianity, and we talked once or twice a week. We had become friends of sorts. We didn’t agree on anything, but she had never experienced cordial and patient discourse on the Bible before, and she was having trouble putting me in the same simplistic compartment she had created for what she thought Christianity was—small-hearted, narrow-minded, ignorant, hateful superstition.
But then a group of picketers showed up at our “Free Speech” zone with signs saying things like “God Hates Fags” and “Homosex is Sin.” The thing is, I don’t necessarily disagree that God hates sin and is angry with the wicked every day. I don’t disagree that homosexuality is a sin. What I think is unhelpful about these groups is their hateful angry spirits, and their special distaste for only one kind of sin.
Homosexuality is not worse than adultery or murder. And given the ridiculous rate of unbiblical divorce and abortion in this country, I would say that heterosexual unfaithfulness is probably a bigger, more widespread issue than homosexuality.
Furthermore, sinners need and get grace and forgiveness. God may be angry with the wickedness of the wicked every day. But He has that right. That doesn’t mean we do. And even if we are to hate what he hates, that doesn’t mean we have the freedom to hate in the same way he does. Because he doesn’t have any logs of hypocrisy he needs to remove. We aren’t supposed to take revenge. Vengeance is God’s, remember? And James says specifically, “The anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God.” And that’s just what I saw at that “Free Speech” zone that day—the anger of man.
If you’ve never witnessed this group picketing, you have no idea how discouraging and demeaning it is. They were literally screaming insults at everyone passing by. My lesbian friend passed by and got into a fruitless argument apparently. Later, she came up to me very distressed. She said, “Michael, do you agree with these people?” I told her, “I don’t agree with their emphasis or their methods.” And she said, “But you think homosexuality is a sin?” I told her I did. “Then you’re no different from them,” she said.
They ruined months and months of interaction in a few minutes. It took me months more before she trusted again that I wasn’t filled with a spirit of hate. I fail to see that they have ever done any good for the cause of Christ.
So with that, I hope that the passing of Fred Phelps means that his organization will fall apart. I really do. But not because I’m hateful. And I won’t rejoice in his death. But I hope all his children and relatives lose heart in this hateful and destructive misrepresentation of Christianity. It can’t happen soon enough.
May he burn in hell!
Bobbie, Bobbie, Bobbie, so full of hare are you. His methods sucked no doubt. He is the type of person that when a Christian say, not all people who claim to be christian are really or behave as Christians. He no doubt had faith that there is a God (so do all demons), but his actions where not of a Christian. So, for once I can agree with you in that he was not one of the better people on this planet, but do not wish people to burn in hell.
He was no different then most Christians other then a bit more vocal. He just said out loud what most Christians believe
BobE Phelps.
Bob saying, “May he burn in hell” is a very hateful thing… First thing you must do to release your hate, is realize you are full of hate. Do not pity Christians, not need… No this guy was not like any Christian I knew or met…
If there was a hell this piece of garbage would be burning in it! a person of faith should be pitied as someone who has lost the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Faith is not a virtue. It is a mental defect.
Oh, he very well could be suffer there now… However, to wish someone (anyone) there, wish someone an eternity of pain and suffering is truly a very hateful thing.
You have no idea what is real and what is not Bob. You like to think you do, but reality is we humans do not have enough time on Earth to know much more then what we are exposed to in real life as real… example: We accept that George Washington was the First President of the United States. Well, no one alive today has meet the guy, nor meet anyone who knew him… No photos, no movies, so you have to go on the trust of the writings of the people during that time, but really you personally have no clue if he existed or not. So, you do not know what is fantasy Bob. Christians believe in the writings in the Bible and you can not disprove a single thing in the book. Been tried for thousands of years, no one has done it yet and I very much doubt that you Bob would be the first.
Paul,we can’t prove that invisible pink
unicorns or any of the thousands of gods don’t exist. If you believe every fairy-tale that cannot be proven false then I feel sorry for you
LA Bob – let me guess, you’re a fag, right? Molest any children lately?
Nope. I happen to be straight but the fact is most children molesters are straight too. When was the last time you had sex with your children?
Is that what you do LABoob? Project much?
He did not learn much from the teaching of Jesus. I do not recall any passage were Jesus hatefully scolded and condemn people. Yes, he called people sinners, warned them of their current path leading to hell, and probably scared the crap out of most that could understand his message…. but he did it in an honest, factual, and straight forward method. Leave people to understand they have a chance to be saved. World of difference. May God be more forgiving to Fred then he was to those whom trespassed against him.
Dear paul:
When Y’SHUA “whipped” the money changers with cords of braided rope or leather in the Temple, I am really not sure, do you think that may have been a … gentle; tender; moment???!!!
yep… 🙂 I have to re-read that part. I thought he just flipped tables and yelled for people committing sin in his fathers house… (The Temple).
Dear paul:
Thank you! It is “always” good to read and re-read, and meditate on the WORD of GOD!
GOD Bless You and Your Family!
I know why Jesus/Yeshua did it. How could I know that? Am I smarter than everyone else? No, not at all. The answer is right there where the story is, and hopefully it will encourage you to dig deeper in the Bible for even more truth.
Dear Clint:
Please provide me with “your” definition of the “more” TRUTH?!
When you can tell me why YESHUA was so angry with the money changers in the Temple, I will then be glad to explain what I meant in my comment. Let me give you a clue. Instead of choosing just two words from my last sentence, read them all together and follow to where the answer is found. I will more than likely not need to tell you my definition of “more” TRUTH. You will find it for yourself.
Dear Clint:
Umm, no! You … first, Clint?!
But, if you don’t “really” don’t “know” what you meant … I understand!
I know fully why it angered the Messiah. If you will read my last response concerning the Sermon on the Mount, I pray that your eyes will be opened to the Lord’s message in Matthew. You have indicated that you like to have teaching sliced up into small pieces because, for you, it is easier to understand. You write above, “if you don’t “really” don’t “know” what you meant….I understand”. I suppose that is your way once again to raise yourself above everyone. As a brother in Christ I ask you to search your heart and discover why you do that. Loftiness and arrogance is not very becoming of a believer in YESHUA.
Jesus was angry with the money lenders because for many millennia charging interest on a loan was considered extortion and a very evil act. You see, back then was a simpler time, and you had to work for what you earned. Charging interest was a way you made other people work for you while you enjoyed sloth. Does that answer your question?
Actually Jesus called a certain group of people, a “generation of vipers” and “whitewashed tombs, full of dead men’s bones.” That would be the Pharisees, of whom Fred Phelps and his kind are the modern day equivalent. Jesus was patient and kind towards all types of sinners, including gamblers, drunkards and prostitutes, but for religious hypocrites like the Pharisees (and Fred Phelps) he had only contempt.
Wasn’t there some incident where Jesus whipped some people at a market; money lenders or something like that. That doesn’t sound to kind.
Caution: Don’t get into the deep water, you cannot even wade, yet. Instead of asking that question, may I suggest you should read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and find the answer. It is there, for the finding.
My comment was meant to make people think. I personally congratulate Jesus for what he did. For many millennia, usury was considered a sin, a really bad sin. Today that the Church has dropped this issue just shows that Satan has infiltrated the Church. This is not a deep water issue; it is pretty simple: collecting interest from money you loaned is extortion, and is a sin. I do not care what Ayn Rand says, or any other money grubber. Usury is evil and cannot be justified; any justification we have, like the ‘time value of money’, is nothing but pure Satanic pacification.
I fully understood your comment and having a desire to make people think. The reason I responded that way was also to get you to read the account of Jesus actions in the Temple so you would find that the money and usury was not the complete issue. The taking of the money was necessary because of the Temple tax. As you know, the Temple was supposed to be a sacred place where GOD’s people met with Him. The priests of Jesus day had corrupted the process by selling lambs, goats and doves to the people to be used as sacrificial substitutes, then rather than offering these animals on the Altar, the priests would send them out a backdoor, so to speak, to be sold again, and again, and again. This was done with the full knowledge and complicity of the priests and money changers. They were substituting the profane for the sacred. Their actions were satanic and evil but they were not about usury, per se.
So it was fraud and usury – that’s even worse. Years ago when I first learned about this story, I was taught with the emphasis on usury and its evils, and this was in a Catholic school run by Nuns. And there is interesting history throughout the middle ages of the clergy struggling with this issue as the concept of interest became more widespread (I.E. not limited to just the Jews). I understand your point of profaning a sacred place, but the usury angle has legs, and far greater meat for philosophical debate.
I suppose it depends on your point of view. Under the Law, your are absolutely right, usury would have legs. Under Grace, which goes back to a time before the Law, to the days of Abraham in Genesis 15. God promised Abram( Abraham’s name at the time) that He would make Abram a Father of many nations even though Abram was childless at the time. It is recorded In Genesis 15:6 “And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness. In that same chapter of Genesis, God made a covenant with Abram, to give him the land and to make him a great nation, and that through Abram and the resulting nation God would bless ALL nations by producing the Messiah, Jesus the Christ, who saves us through His Grace. Looking at this from the point of view of the Lord’s Grace in the present, back to the time of the 2nd Temple under the Law, man has never been able to keep his eyes on the Lord without stacking up pennies (percent) under the table, using the abundance that comes into the Temple as though God is not aware of what goes on under the table. Under the Law, usury was a trespass of the Law, no doubt about it. From my perspective, Grace under the Messiah provides a much more fertile field to dig around in, philosophically of course. If you have some free time, read the short 6 chapters of Galatians where the Apostle Paul addresses the struggle between living in God’s Grace that was available to Abraham and the Law that was given Moses on Mount Sinai, some 430 years after Abraham. It is quite an eye opener.
I still am sure that neither God nor his Son approve of usury.
My prayer will be that your curiosity will get the best of you and you will read it.
The bible and all religious books contain contradictory concepts. God does not approve of usury because it is sloth. Making money by lending money is a form of extortion and indeed a very high level of sloth. And nowadays that sin is compounded by people offering all type of rationalizations that are acceptable to God – NONE of them are acceptable! Sloth is sloth; extortion is extortion. Usury always has been evil and is still evil.
Clint, read this:
“In the article INTEREST we have reserved the question of the lawfulness of taking interest on money lent; we have here to consider first, usury as condemned by all honest men.”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15235c.htm
Read Mathew 25:14-30 “the Parable of the Talents” and see what you think. I don’t believe Jesus would have encouraged loaning money at interest (even in a parable) if He had considered it an evil practice. I think there are some Old Testament passages where God condemned “excessive usury” but I would have to look those up to be sure.
Well said, sir.
I might add that He always leaves a way OUT for those who want to turn away from sin.
We need to put up a sign on Wall St pointing in that direction.
🙂
Ding dong the witch is dead!
Dear jmokkonen:
Are “you” alive??!! If so, how do you know?!
Cogito ergo sum ˈ k oʊ ɡ ɨ t oʊ ˈ ɜr ɡ oʊ ˈ s ʌ m /, also / ˈ k ɒ ɡ ɨ t oʊ “I think, therefore I am”
God DOES hate fags. You think God gave humans sexual organs so they can be abused in the perverted ways of homosexual sex acts. Human homosexual acts are perversion, pure satanic perversion. And don’t even think of telling me homosexual acts happen naturally with animals. Those are not homosexual acts – those are acts of domination; if they were sexual you would see lions and tigers getting anal fissures (a common consequence well known to gays).
God hates divorced people, adultery, non virgin brides, people that masturbate & a host of others but since most Christians are guilty of those sins they over look them & focus their hate towards gays
Divorced people, adulterers, non virgin brides, people that masturbate did NOT bring AIDS to this world. Sex crazed homosexuals that raped monkeys did bring AIDS to humanity.
You may hate homosexuals more then Divorced people, adulterers, non virgin brides, people that masturbate, have premarital sex, etc but god doesn’t.
Moron, you are sick. God does not hate people…he does not condone the sinful act. If you are gay…may you die a miserable death because I’m not Christian.
I happen to be straight. You sound like a Christian to me.
Even if true, does that explain this “church” protesting at military members funerals????????????????????
explain it, easy, it was very wrong.
God does most definitely NOT hate anyone. He sent his only begotten Son, Jesus Christ to live a sinless life and pay the penalty for ALL of mankind’s sins on the Cross. That includes homosexuals, whether you like it or not. God hates sin, because it separates His most precious creation (mankind) from Him. 1st Timothy 2:3-4
The sacrifice of Jesus was no sacrifice at all, for a number of reasons. First, according to the New Testament, Jesus Christ was God Himself. What possible inconvenience could death represent for an immortal god? None whatsoever. God would have an infinite capacity for enduring physical pain. He would also have the foreknowledge that he would soon be back in heaven, his original country. Therefore, his sacrifice is no sacrifice at all.It’s all a sham.
And I will add the indisputable fact that homos are child molesters – or to put it simply: fags can’t procreate – they can only indoctrinate.
Personally, I would not use the f-word; however, you are correct!!
Sodomites, to their very detriment, live to satisfy their glands and other body parts!!! It is not a “gay” existence… whom in their most rational mind could ever be … gay … when their very names are upon GOD’s list for HIS judgment!! And they will be judged as, “haters of GOD”!!!!
To put it another way … and absolutely no disrespect to the only Living GOD … in comparison; let us say than anyone found out that organized crime or some rogue government … put a contract on your … life; would any rational individual react in such a manner: Yeah, some people have hired professional killers to take my life!! Absolutely, not; and Heaven forbid!!!
I know that I would not react in that above fashion!!! I would be extremely frightened and depressed, among other things!! But, the one thing I would not be is … gay … in the traditional meaning and sense!!!
Moreover, consider that the JUDGE, is also the PROSECUTOR; HE is also the DETECTIVE and as well as the WARDEN!! In none of those roles … has absolutely anyone ever eluded HIS capture; nor has anyone absolutely ever out-lawyer-ed HIM; HE has absolutely never committed an error in judgement that would allow one to have their sentence overturned on absolutely any technicality; and once incarcerated in HIS prison … has absolutely anyone ever escaped HIS prison, save only those that HE has chosen to release on HIS definition of “shock probation”, or so I have read!
Sodomites are most extremely different from most other sinners!!! According to the WORD of GOD … sodomites are ‘workers of “abomination” ‘; sodomites are of a “reprobate” mind; or a mind that is or has been “disabled” by GOD … to know; respect; or even appreciate the difference between HIS “righteousness” and what HE has defined as “wrong” conduct!!!
Also, the sodomites are the “only” workers of abominations that actually insist upon the “codified” right to “adopt” … “innocent” little children … and to “indoctrinate” these innocent children in, at the very least, their “political support” of the “sodomite / gay agenda” … which, is an “actual” manifesto … which, will and has had a very destructive impact upon our nation and families!!!
And all the while perpetrating the above … sodomites “openly” lobby to have the ‘age of consent’ … “lowered”!!! Why???? According to the sodomite agenda: ‘Sex “after eight [8]” … is too late!’ Or words to that effect!!! Also, sodomites are the “founders” of North America Man Boy Love Association or NAMBLA!!!
Likewise, Mr. Michael Minkoff should realize that if there were no difference then … please tell me … when is ‘Swingers Pride’ Month; or ‘Womanizers Pride’ Month; or even ‘Cougars Pride’ Month???!!!!
I am certain that all these individuals “know” that they too are transgressors of the WORD of GOD, too!!! However, they have the better judgment than to payoff some “slick” politician and have such a month declared on their behalf!!
Finally, I have little doubt that Fred Phelps is in heaven, now; GOD’s Kingdom!! Could he have presented his message a little more charitable; probably! But, he didn’t fail to make an impact for the Kingdom; however, I would have chosen a venue “away” from the funerals of our armed forces members!! Their families are already hurting … and it is difficult to receive a message through tears!!!
But, as far as Mr. Minkoff is concerned, if he truly found fault with the Phelps’ message or how it was delivered … then he should have gotten his own family out to the missionary fields and delivered a message that he considered would be more inline in the manner that GOD would have HIS WORD presented!! Anyone can sit-back and find fault!!!
How do you argue with people who sincerely believe in heavenly spirits, in angels, abracadabra and bodily ascension, adults who seriously think that some 2000 year old incomprehensive anonymous and occult writings from the Middle East should guide our life’s today
Dear LABobE:
I understand what you mean!
Just how does one argue with individuals that have, somehow, developed their own prospective on truth???!!!!
Let me guess, “you” actually believe in the ‘Big Bang’ Theory!
If you believe that Y’SHUA is a liar … just remember, part of HIS job description is to bring you to a “full” and honest belief in HIMSELF!! One day, and I can with all certainty stake my life upon that, “you” will be a true believer … and, giving glory to my GOD … however, you will “not” be in the Kingdom!!!
Finally, just look back at ‘Southern Decadence’ Day and Hurricane Katrina and tell me that you don’t believe!!
P.S.
I wouldn’t use that symbol that “you” currently are using next to your name!!! It is an offense to the FATHER … I know you don’t believe!! But, the operative word is still … “yet”!!!
I don’t believe that Y’SHUA is a liar. I believe he’s a myth just like thousands of other gods. Christian fundamentalist constantly spout off complete nonsense about natural disasters being a punishment from God.When Hurricane Katrina hit the New Orleans area Rev. Pat Demented Robertson told everyone it was because the Gay Mardis Gras was schedule for the French Quarter. God, as is often the case, missed. The French Quarter survived quite nicely but Baptist Churches all over the South were flattened. Obviously I believe in the big bang. its the ONLY theory that has evidence to back it up
Then explain why EVERY god, formed, carved, molded by man and buried STAYED in their TOMB! But the tomb that held the one that was FLESH is empty? Because Gods ways are not mans ways! And I understand your ideology about the big bang! And your determination to HOLD that thought! But like Charles Darwin (LOVE that guy, especially his last theory) said ” The theory of Evolution” is impossible to prove because there’s no proof of a beginning! But Atheists have no choice, because the only other sensible theory left is Creation by “Divine Design” PROOF of a Creator! And not a ONE of them would admit they could be wrong! Yet Darwin DID and so did many others DID, DO and WILL!
The story is a MYTH!!!! Their have been many empty tombs throughout history & there’s a much better explanation (grave robbers, etc) then to assume a person rose from the dead. Idiots like you may not be aware of this but the theory of evolution has come a long way since Darwin
only a few, and very few ancient historians will darn say Jesus of Nazareth walked this planet and was crucified under Roman rule did not exist – why to much creditable evidence from many different sources. We talked about this the other day Bob and you were provide leads to the information. I see you still refuse to open your eyes, read and learn…. Must be difficult living such a simple closed minded life. Tell me do you really have to go out of your way so not to learn anything or is it easy to get around and talking to people without gaining some knowledge?
Paul, not a single person that was alive during the time jesus was supposed to have walked the earth mentions him. Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of
pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one
to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a
real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it
Stop being stupid Bob… I have given you multiple undeniable sources… include the name of a very famous historian alive at the time that Jesus walked to Earth who makes comments about Jesus. You really are not smart at all…. read and learn for once in your life… Google the subject:
non biblical sources that confirms Jesus walked on the earth
You will find so many sources that confirm he was alive…. any normal human would feel like a real a$$ for denying this man exists…. There is more evidence of him walking the planet then there is of most historical people. Below is one source of the time:
Testimony from Josephus
Flavius Josephus, a prominent Jewish historian of the first century, is
well known to historians and scholars. Born into a priestly family in
A.D. 37, Josephus was well educated and commanded a Jewish detachment in
Galilee during the Jewish revolt of 66-70 until his capture by the
Romans. At the end of the war he went to Rome with the Roman general
Titus, where he lived and wrote until his death about A.D. 100.
Josephus twice mentions Jesus in his monumental work Antiquities of the Jews, written A.D. 90-95. His most extensive quote reads:
“Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to
call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,—a teacher of such
men as received the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many
of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when
Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned
him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake
him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine
prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things
concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not
extinct at this day” ( Antiquities, Book 18, chapter 3, section 3).
You will find same time of information for Roman documents for people that were neither Jew or Christian. Only a true fool would deny that Jesus walked on this planet. Now if you believe him to be the son of God, well that is up to you to believe or not to believe, but Jesus was here.
Paul, Biblical scholars admit the passages Josephus was said to have written are forgeries+ Josephus didn’t live during the tine of Jesus. Their are no Roman, Greek or Jewish sources that mentioned Jesus during the time he was suppose to.have lived
Wow, we can lead a horse to water but can not make him drink… and we defendant can not fix stupid, you are living proof Bob. I just told you to google the subject and you’ll find thousand of credible source (that means they are not forgeries or fakes or anything else but legit and conformable… and you failed to do it. What are you to stupid or just scared to find out the truth? It’s funny hearing you try to act like you are educated, but then fear reading and learning about your incorrect facts.
By the way ues, he is of the time of Jesus, that would mean he could met Jesus or met people that had met him directly…
Paul, none of these so called credible sources you mention lived during the time Jesus lived. NOT ONE!
Amazing, you read all those sources…. How did you fit over a years worth of reading into one night??? I told you there are thousand of source, I only listed one of the first ones that comes up. Oh and yes both Jewish historian and a world famous for his his historical documention of the time he lived in (time of Christ life), have well documented there was a man name Jesus who was crucified under Pilot and he was Jewish…. You are such a very small part of the world population that actually think he did not walk the world. Most atheist even believe Jesus walked on this planet… they just do not believe he was the son of God, because they do not believe in God. Josephus, was still in the time frame of Christ… I have to explain it to you again, he can and did talk with people who knew and meet Jesus. No, most sightings of Jesus after he raised from the dead were first hand not hearsay…. Why do you think Christianity took off like a wild fire in the dries year ever…. People where joining like crazy, even though if they were caught in the early days it was a death sentence, they knew and still joined by the 10,000s not a few hear and there…
Dear LABobE:
I wish to, first of all, thank you for acknowledging “our” GOD … by the little display next to your name!!! How can anyone be against Someone or something that they claim … does “not” exist!!!
Also, JESUS claims the name: I AM!! So, HE testifies that HE does exist and “you” testify that HE is a myth .. which, places “you” in the position of calling HIM a “liar”!!!!
Furthermore, you falsely / incorrectly stated that no one ever spoke of JESUS or Y’SHUA that was around at that time!!! However, Saul was around at that time … and Saul was converted from Judaism to Christianity on the road to Damascus where Saul met the risen LORD! Moreover, King David even spoke of HIM; and HE is in the lineage of King David and King Solomon!!! So, if you can read … honestly … then you have to admit that HE walked the Earth; Created the Universe; Will return for HIS chose people in the rapture; and Will judge the World … as frightening as that may seem to you!!!
So, let us deal with “your” so-called “Big Bang’!
Please name “your” witness or witnesses??!!
Please explain why any person that thinks of themselves as rational would ever believe such a ‘fairy tale’??
Also, how do you even account for the bang??!! What were the objects??!!! Where did these objects come from???!!! Whom or what created these objects??!!!
Please name absolutely anything else that ever occurred in the history of the World … without a designer / creator!!
Finally, for now, whom or what created the ‘laws of physics’ that would even allow for the so-called ‘big bang’???!!!
I shall await your “responsive” answers!!
More circular reasoning. “We know the Bible is the true word of God because it says so in the Bible. As for the big bang the brightest scientists on the planet have evidence to prove it true. & I believe them
Dear LABobE:
First of all, Thank You so, so, so much for removing that “reprehensible” little ridiculous thumb cut or display that you “formerly” had next to “your” name!!!! I, for one, am most grateful!!! Moreover, you should know that the angels in Heaven are rejoicing regarding this “most” intelligent and as well as “rational” decision on your part!!! Also, since we are “all” related by blood … “your” relatives in Heaven are probably celebrating, too!!!???
However, even though you have removed that thing … “you” are “still” on the hook … as far as the Throne is concerned!! So, please make those next important steps … you know … like repenting of “all” your sins and as well as your “abominations”??!! Then the real big bang … “accepting” CHRIST as your LORD and Savior!!
Believe me, you will “never” regret it!!! But, you will be punished!!! But however, the FATHER has “all” HIS children punished for all our, individual and collective, transgressions!! It comes along with being a part of the true Royal Family!! So, don’t take it personal!!!
Bob, I can’t even begin to tell you about the things that HE has done to me, personally!!! But, I admit that I deserved it!!!! But, Bob, GOD doesn’t “spank” the Devil’s children … of which, you are “presently” … one!!! The only things you have to lose … and they are “not” really a loss … are all those GOD-less friends of “your’s” … that you presently have … and that are “dancing” into the “pit” … with you!!!
Now, what if during the night … at least, one of them “dies” … but, in those last precious microseconds … makes his / her “peace with the LORD … and goes Home, into the Kingdom; or, possibly, even all of them!!!
Now, won’t you really feel foolish … you know, standing infront of that White Throne of Judgement … “all” by yourself!!! And, Bob, “all” those nasty things that you, “yourself” have said about the LORD … over the years and possibly decades … now, it probably “won’t” be about just transgressions / sins … Bob, in all likelihood, it will probably be … “personal”!! When the LORD takes something … personal … HE describes it as … ‘allowing HIS anger to really, really burn … against “you”!!! Bob, I have “no” doubt that a significant number of your current friends are impressed … however, the LORD is “not”!!!! So, take some advice from someone that “really” cares about … “you”!!!
Moreover, Bob, either you are just plain lazy … or, you are once again … being “delusional”!! Remember my numerous questions … as follows:
“So, [again] let us deal with “your” so-called “Big Bang’!
1.) Please name “your” witness or witnesses??!!
2.) Please explain why any person that thinks of themselves as rational would ever believe such a ‘fairy tale’??
3.) Also, how do you even account for the bang??!! What were the objects??!!! Where did these objects come from???!!! Whom or what created these objects??!!!
4.)Please name absolutely anything else that ever occurred in the history of the World … without a designer / creator!!
5.) Finally, for now, whom or what created the ‘laws of physics’ that would even allow for the so-called ‘big bang’???!!!
I shall [still] await your “responsive” answers!!”
Now, Bob, for a direct response to your so-called comment[s], which were the following:
“More circular reasoning. “We know the Bible is the true word of God because it says so in the Bible. As for the big bang the brightest scientists on the planet have evidence to prove it true. & I believe them[.][!!] ”
Bob, the earliest and “true” scientists … believed in “creationism” How “bright[est]” is any individual that believes that GOD is a liar … and in this particual instance … has “effectively” if not actually … sold his / her soul … for some “silly” research [???] grant … that is “not” eternal??!!
Also, allow me to submit a sixth and seventh question:
6.) What is the “so-called evidence”???!!!
7.) Name these scientists??!!
Bob, I just have to ask … just how much would you sell your “soul” for????!!!!!
Now, Bob, I am “still” waiting for “responsive answers to the following questions:
Remember “those” questions … well, Bob, let us make it easy on … “you”!!! Start with questions Numbers 3 & 5 to begin with??!! Then you select the order of the final two?!
Finally, Bob, “we” know that the WORD of GOD is true because HE says HIS WORD is true!!! Also, further confirmation is made through documentation of the Scriptures themselves!!
Suchas, “all” humans are brothers and sisters … documented by the account of Adam and Eve … and for individuals like yourself … confirmed through the science of DNA!! Moreover, the Bible “reported” hundreds of years “before” space exploration … that the Earth … ‘hangs on nothing’!!! Also, the account of the battle and wars between Issac / Jacob [renamed by GOD, HIMSELF] “Israel” … who is the father of the “nation” of Israel, along with his fathers … Issac and Abraham!!!
Bob, “you” have heard of the Arab / Israelie wars, including the 6 or 7 day War of 1967 … where Israel “defeated”, I believe, a force of “five” Arab nations!!! How does that happen, Bob???!!! The only answer is GOD; the GODHEAD; the FATHER; Y’SHUA; and the Holy SPIRIT that is shared by both and as well as their “elect” of GOD!!!
So, Bob, just exactly … where … is “your” socalled “circular reasoning”??!!
I continue to give “you” facts that are most … “specific”; and you “continue” to give me and all the other readers … “generics” …. and as well as your “vile” opinions!!!
Start being “honest” and “responsive” … and this discussion could really be “fruitful” … for the both of “us”!!??
P.S.
If “you” would believe in the ‘Tooth Fairy’ would that be “true”, too????!!!!
The Bible does not speak against science and the sound theories like the “Big Bang”. When God said let there be light… well he put light to all the stars, which are big balls of gas. If you have not yet at this point in your life, but a flame to a big ball of gas and see what happens and what you hear. Be careful not to burn yourself of course…. Hint, the more gas the louder the noise…
Dear paul:
The Book of Genesis “totally” destroys your “vile” opinion!!! The KJV Bible records that HE, Y’SHUA, “spoke” … and Creation then came into existence!! No place does the Bible report “any” bang … big; small; or medium; or even semi-medium or big!!!
Also. where does the Bible state “absolutely anything” about JESUS, “… he put light to all the stars,”!! Please provide Book/Chapter/Verse[s] that confirms and “documents” what you wrote????!!!!
Dear ChildoElohim,
Please be careful not to think yourself as God and knowing all the details of what happened at the start of time. God lives by the same rules of physics in the Universe just as we do because he created it that way. No the Book of Genesis “TOTALLY” supports what I stated. Stop being the person that gives these Bible haters ammo against God. Use some intelligence, when God said, “let there be light”, he was igniting the stars… Stars are big balls of Gas, and if you think you can set fire to a big ball of Gas without having a large explosion, then you are just being foolish. The Bible does not tell you everything that happened, it just tells us what God want us to know or thought was important for us to know. For example, it does not say that other planets in our solar system would have moons…. but there they are, planets with moon. So, by your logic since it’s not listed in the Bible they do not exist??? No, that is incorrect, God did not feel it was important for us to know…. Just like he did not think it was important to say, “Let there be light, and with a big Boom!! there was light. and he saw it was good.” Now none of us were alive when this happened so none of us will truly know what happened, but using some common sense, understand of the universe, science, and the word of God one would say there was an explosion when light was created since the light was coming from sources of gas. Still do not believe, go find a Gas stove and keep turning it on and off until you understand, when you set fire to gas there will be an explosion…. with an explosion comes noise. Each time you turn on the stove you will hear a little pop from the gas catching fire…. that is a little amount of gas, now imagine a ball of gas some 100,000 times the size of our planet, then every other star being set to fire…
Bible and modern science goes hand in hand together…. Another example was Eve coming from Adam’s rib. That is a very simple description of surgery as one might explain to a child…. Cloning surgery to be more accurate. If you do not believe me on this, read it again, but think of Adam being alive today. Instead of God being God, think of God being a Doctor doing a very simple description of the procedure he just completed. If you can not reconize that as being surgery, I’m not sure what would help you see it. Science just can answer some questions of how God did things… It is not against God. God made the mountains, how? he designed the Earth plates to push against each other an rise upwards…. it goes on and on.
Dear paul:
LOL!!!
You are a “real” chracter!!! I am sure that you have to be an entertainer of some type!!! You are one special actor!! And this makes “you” the hypocrtie that you truly are!!!
Moreover, your opinions which you realy love to to pass-off as some type of “logic” [???] [again, LOL!!!] is really. extremely “tragic”; as a matter of fact, your opinions are … “vile” … “totally vile”!!!
I won’t bother you with too many details … people like you are only “confused” by the TRUTH!! You have made statements against GOD, HIMSELF, that no individual even “remotely” would wish to even “think” … not to mention write … and even record in a “public” venue!!! Your ignorance is so, so huge … I don’t really know where to start!!
paul, you are the one that thinks he is a god; or have “you” even deluded yourself into believing that “you” are the true god??!! I never stated that … nor even “implied” that!!! You are so invested in hatred of GOD that you can;t even think straight!!
For instance, your ramblings as follows:
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” Dear ChildoElohim,
Please be careful not to think yourself as God and knowing all the details of what happened at the start of time. God lives by the same rules of physics in the Universe just as we do because he created it that way. No the Book of Genesis “TOTALLY” supports what I stated. Stop being the person that gives these Bible haters ammo against God. Use some intelligence, when God said, “let there be light”, he was igniting the stars… Stars are big balls of Gas, and if you think you can set fire to a big ball of Gas without having a large explosion, then you are just being foolish. The Bible does not tell you everything that happened, it just tells us what God want us to know or thought was important for us to know. For example, it does not say that other planets in our solar system would have moons…. but there they are, planets with moon. So, by your logic since it’s not listed in the Bible they do not exist??? No, that is incorrect, God did not feel it was important for us to know…. Just like he did not think it was important to say, “Let there be light, and with a big Boom!! there was light. and he saw it was good.” Now none of us were alive when this happened so none of us will truly know what happened, but using some common sense, understand of the universe, science, and the word of God one would say there was an explosion when light was created since the light was coming from sources of gas. Still do not believe, go find a Gas stove and keep turning it on and off until you understand, when you set fire to gas there will be an explosion…. with an explosion comes noise. Each time you turn on the stove you will hear a little pop from the gas catching fire…. that is a little amount of gas, now imagine a ball of gas some 100,000 times the size of our planet, then every other star being set to fire…”
paul, if you had “actually” attended sceince class … you would have known that ‘outer sapce’ is a “vacuum”!! This means that there is no air or atmosphere as we know it; so, there would have been no air to even carry the sound of a ‘Big Bang’!!! paul, GOD knows where “you” were and what you were doing that day!!! Also, if there is even a ‘next week’ … HE already knows exactly what you will be doing then and what you will even be saying!!!
However, everyone that really knows you knows that it will be “irrational nonsense”; but, what makes GOD different from ‘man’ is that GOD, if HE would, could send you a total manuscript: people; places; jestures; everything, paul!!!
But, paul, you seem to know HIM better than I do!? So, Who or WHOM did HE chose to herald HIS coming to Earth … in the flesh!!! Also, please tell me … when HE was taken-up after HIS last assembly with HIS apostles … just how was HE taken up, paul???!!! Moreover, paul, when HE fed thousands from a few loaves of bread and a few fishes, paul …. you do know that such an act is a violation of the same laws of physics that “you” really worship, paul!!! Explain just how HE was able to accomplish such a feat???!!!
paul, you also wrote the following … tragically “you” wrote the following:
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Bible and modern science goes hand in hand together…. Another example was Eve coming from Adam’s rib. That is a very simple description of surgery as one might explain to a child…. Cloning surgery to be more accurate. If you do not believe me on this, read it again, but think of Adam being alive today. Instead of God being God, think of God being a Doctor doing a very simple description of the procedure he just completed. If you can not reconize that as being surgery, I’m not sure what would help you see it. Science just can answer some questions of how God did things… It is not against God. God made the mountains, how? he designed the Earth plates to push against each other an rise upwards…. it goes on and on.”
paul, your modern science does “not” even rise to the level of “voodoo” in comparison to “the” Almighty GOD, paul!! However, it gets even worse … “you” have called HIM a “liar”!!! paul, you “better” repent and seek the LORD and HIS mercy while there is still time for you … tomorrow … may be too, too late!!!
It is man whom “depends” upon GOD and HIS WORD … and “not” vice versa!!! But, in any event, paul, you “are” scheduled for a meeting with HIM … where you may be able … probably … to discuss / share all your “vile” little logic .. face-to-face … and as a “friend”, I would most assuredly advise you … “not” … to do that!!!
If not some incomprehensible 2000 year old doctrine, then what? Have you prostrated yourself to your leader the great Obama? Is Obamacare your bible? I consider myself very fortunate to have had mystical experiences that have set me free from worldly beliefs dominated by Satan. And belief in what is considered paranormal is ancient, and still very prevalent in today’s modern world. The world is ruled by people that deeply believe in the paranormal. Research some of the secret societies like the Bohemian Grove bunch. See who attends their meetings, and then get back to me. Point is that even you dear LABobe are ruled by the supernatural, but you prefer to be blind to that fact.
Come back to planet earth. Try logic, reason & science
Logic, reason and science explain how – but the interesting question is ‘why’. Science is of no help there. And you obviously ignored my suggestion about researching Bohemian Grove – ah yes, ignorance is not only bliss, but a damn great comfort zone.
I’m to much of a sceptic to buy into Conspiracy theories like Bohemian Grove’s
Dear LABobE:
Let’s try being GOD’s advocate for a change?!
When you are standing before HIS White Throne … and giving an account of “yourself” … what do you plan to say!!!
P.S.
If you say that this is “myth” … then you are “continuing” to call HIM a … “liar”!!!
If I stood before God I would tell him to beg me to forgive him for all his crimes against humany
Dear LABobE:
You do “not” know “our” LORD!!! If you did “you” never would have wrote such a … “foolish” … statement as follows:
“If I stood before God I would tell him to beg me to forgive him for all his crimes against human[it]y”
Your blasphemy.and abomination has, so very long ago “already” reached the HIS Throne Room!!! As a freind and as well as a very distant relative … I sincerely advise “you” to at least attempt to “repent” of all of you sins and receive HIM as “your” personal LORD and Savior … before it is to late!!!
But, to be very direct with “you”; I know / knew of an ‘organized crime figure’ that on, at least, “one” occasion … he “too”, and as well … “blasphemed” GOD … and out loud, too!! He “eventually” died of “throat” cancer!!!
LABobE … don’t repent on this site for my sake or even, and I most sincerely hope that I am correct in saying, do not so much repent for the LORD’s sake … but, do this for “your own” sake … or spend … Eternity … wishing that “you” had!!!
P.S.
There is “nothing” written in Scripture that “obligates” GOD to … “wait”… for the Day of the LORD!!! It “could” already be too, too, too late for … “you”!!!!
Feeding the troll is of no value. It is like wrestling with a pig – you both get dirty and the pig likes it. A major study concluded that people like LABobE are in serious need of intense therapy and suffer from severe mental disorders.
You believe that some cosmic Jewish Zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree & think I’m the one with a mental disorder?????
Yes, homosexuals (or Sodomites as you call them) are “workers of abomination.” So are the prideful, liars, murderers, false witnesses, those who cause discord in the Church and everyone who has wicked imaginations, according to the KJV Bible that you claim to know so well. Homosexuality is no different from any other sin in God’s eyes. He hates all sin. There is a difference as far as the sinner is concerned in that homosexual practices can lead to a state of reprobation, as you point out. Which should lead true Christians to have even more compassion and zeal in witnessing to homosexuals, before it’s too late for them to understand and be saved. Fred Phelps was a self-righteous deluded individual, who did far more to harm the Kingdom of God than to help it. I don’t pretend to know whether he is in Heaven or Hell, as that judgement belongs to the Lord, but the World is a better place now that he has departed, whatever his final destination may be.
Dear jaws4316:
Exactly, where does the KJV Bible “document” the following, “Yes, homosexuals (or Sodomites as you call them) are “workers of abomination.” So are the prideful, liars, murderers, false witnesses, those who cause discord in the Church and everyone who has wicked imaginations, according to the KJV Bible that you claim to know so well.”
First of all, where did I ever discuss anything regarding “my” competence in utilizing the the KJV Bible?! I really don’t recall that! Please direct me to that comment!! I am certain that “you” will; I know that you wouldn’t wish to be a “false witness”, also!!!
Additionally, the WORD of GOD condemns homosexuals as “you” like to call them as … “sodomites”!!! Since that is GOD’s term for them … why do “you” have a problem with GOD???!!!
Moreover, where does “Scripture” state or document that the sins that “you” listed are … “abominations”??!! Please provide Book/Chapter/Verse[s]?!
Likewise, you wrote the following:
“Homosexuality is no different from any other sin in God’s eyes. He hates all sin. There is a difference as far as the sinner is concerned in that homosexual practices can lead to a state of reprobation, as you point out. Which should lead true Christians to have even more compassion and zeal in witnessing to homosexuals, before it’s too late for them to understand and be saved.”
Please, in all due respect, do not speak for GOD!! The WORD of GOD seems to limit that particular term to a very “limited” number of sins!! Also, what are “you” doing to witness to sodomites!! I go to the Sodomite Shame Parade so-called ‘Gay Pride’ every year … how about yourself?!
Moreover, “you” don’t seem like the manner in which I witness … so, why don’t you witness to the sodomites and I will study your approach and attempt to monitor your success … maybe I can learn something from you?!
Finally, you wrote the following:
“Fred Phelps was a self-righteous deluded individual, who did far more to harm the Kingdom of God than to help it. I don’t pretend to know whether he is in Heaven or Hell, as that judgement belongs to the Lord, but the World is a better place now that he has departed, whatever his final destination may be.”
Did you “know” Pastor Phelps, personally; or was that just “your” vile opinion of the pastor??!! Since you have appointed “yourself” as his judge, let me ask you: How do you “know” that the pastor was “deluded”?!
How did Phelps “actually” harm the Kingdom?! Please support your position with Scripture; Book/Chapter/Verse[s]?!
According to the Scripture that I am aware of or know … just what makes you think that the pastor … is “not” in the Kingdom?!
Also, how do you “know” that the world is a “better” place without Pastor Phelps?!
Finally, between you and the pastor … which of you has done “more” for the Kingdom?! Please answer each question responsively … like a true Christian … and not dance around like a true liberal heathen?!
You’re obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer but there are many straight people that cannot procreate either.
Interesting, The command of GOD was to Adam and Eve, go and replenish the earth, not to Adam and Steve, otherwise NO Human would be on earth today!
No everyone believes in that fairy-tale
I know at least 4 that were, GOD, Adam, Eve, and Satan, now who are you going to believe?
Maybe not the sharpest, but do know more about human equipment than any fag – stick and stick don’t fit – get it? That is very different from straight people that have a medical condition that precludes procreation. Keep coming back with replies like this and people will see you as the dull thud that you are.
Why are you so obsessed with other people’s sex life’s? If you think your God will punish them why are you worried about it?
When the “other people’s sex life” involves children, it is every moral persons’ obligation to be obsessed about that, and seek justice for the innocent. And what makes you think God’s punishment doesn’t start here on earth. And if people want to see how reprehensible fags are, do some research on ‘chicken parties’, but be warned, do so on an empty stomach. OK, LABobE, spew some more of your filth.
You do realize that most children are molested by a family member. The Christian church has a MASSIVE pedophile problem. Gays account for a VERY small percentage of child molesting.
Love the sinner and hate the sin…
Dear barb:
Is, “Love the sinner and hate the sin…”, is that just your opinion; or is it in the KJV Bible??!! If so please, please provide: Book/Chapter?Verse[s]?!
that is my personal opinion. I feel the same about abortion.. I will love and pray for the murderer and hate the sin – to murder innocent children cannot be regarded as good and praised. – that is my personal way of looking at this corrupt world
Dear barb patton:
I appreciate “your” opinion! However, the FATHER has already “committed” to HIS WORD!!! Please seek HIS righteousness in the KJV Bible!!
In all due respect, if you choose “not” to then I really see Matthew 7 looming very large in “your” future!!!
Also, you speak of “your” version of “love” … however, Y’SHUA stated WORDs to the effect that “if”; if “you” love HIM … you will keep HIS commandments; and, not yours!!!
Jesus commandments were to follow His example and observe all the things He taught the disciples to do, and His example was to always show compassion to the lost while never condoning their sin. You, my Brother (or Sister) should be careful of how you judge other people’s service to the Lord, especially in light of the fact that the Chapter you just cited starts off with Jesus saying “Judge not that ye be not judged.”
Jesus showed far more compassion to whores, drunks, murderers and thieves, than he ever did to religious hypocrites, who tried to tell others how to please God. Maybe you should examine your attitude before Matthew 26: 41-46 becomes part of your future.
Dear Brother jaws4316:
Little doubt, you should read the “entire” chapter of Matthew 7, and not stop at the first several verses; and get back to me!!
Also, just how did the money changers fair in that “beating” that they received from Y’SHUA in the Temple?! The FATHER “scourges” all that HE loves!!! But, no doubt, you have a problem with that, too!
I do look forward to hearing from you, again, my brother!
I have no problem with The Father’s discipline. My problem is with self-righteous hypocrites like you, trying to do His job for Him. Jesus had a problem with that too. That’s why He rebuked the Pharisees sharply on many occasions. As for the money changers, they were agents acting on behalf of the Pharisees to “make merchandise” of God’s people. Jesus threw them out in a fit of “Righteous” indignation. God’s wrath is justified. “The wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God” James 1:20 KJV
LOVE it, Jaws! The reason he chose the lowest for his companions and friends is because he could TRUST them! They had nothing to hide from him, and knew he would also be honest with THEM! I think also a “hidden” message to the TOXIC CHRISTIANS like the ones he called vipers and also th ones on earth now: I could live in a palace, be waited on hand and foot, I could impress you with my many “skills” but I don’t HAVE to because YOU are not important to my purpose for being here! Even in his meek and quiet spirit, they FEARED him! And you are correct! Jesus NEVER “judged”! He left that to his Father to do at a later time! HIS goal was to mend hearts and souls, healing bodies in order to restore hearts and souls! How wonderful to know him and even more wonderful that he loves us despite our weakness and humanness! And How could I DARE rebuke my brother or sister when I am still “IN DEBT” to God for my OWN forgiveness! I can only try to spread the message of his love, compassion and forgiveness to those without it!
Thanks for the encouraging words.
Dear self-righteous hypocrite aka jaws4316:
First, “you” will have to place Matthew 26:41-46 in the context that “you” wish to apply it!! I have read it several times and have no idea what “you” are attempting to point-out to me!!
Furthermore, I appreciate your being “nasty” or being the person that you “really” are!! Apparently, “you”, yourself are that “self-righteous hypocrites” that you speak of!! You don’t even know me … however, I know that you have, again, “already” found fault with GOD, HIMSELF!! So, “you” have placed me in perfect company; and Thank You!!!
Moreover, since Scripture makes it clear that ‘you know them by the fruit they bear’ … I have to ask you ….are you a “sodomite, too!! You seem to have invested so much of your time in “advocating” for sodomites!!!???
I hope that I am wrong; but, I hope you understand why someone “could” possibly conclude that your conversation sounds a lot like a ‘guilty conscience’!! Or could you be a “former” sodomite “struggling” with your past! Please be honest in your response??!!
Finally, that soft, effeminate Jesus … so tolerate of sin “only” exists in your mind!!! You really should read and meditate on the WORD so that you do not end up as one those Chapter 7 of Matthew, so-called Christians!!
I don’t know why I am wasting my time replying to you, but here goes anyway. You started this by picking on a poor little old Lady and implying that she was going to be turned away by God for holding the opinion that Christians should “love the sinner, and hate the sin.” Now that I have disagreed with you and attempted to shed some light on the subject through scripture, your reaction is to imply that I myself am a homosexual. So, if we are “known by our fruits” as the Bible says, you’re not looking too good at the moment. Galatians 5:22-23 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”
Fred Phelps and his group of “church people” chose to preach a message of condemnation, and to do so at the funerals of men and women who died defending the ideals of freedom and democracy. I am concerned (as all Christians should be) that our Nation’s morals have declined to the point where those who speak out against sin are called evil, and the sin of homosexuality is held up by our leaders and our Courts as a good thing. However, I fail to see the point Phelps was trying to make by being an obnoxious jerk and ruining the Funeral Services of brave young men and women, who had nothing to do with homosexual sin. Phelps was demonstrating the “wrath of man’ rather than the love of God.
Jesus said “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved .” People like you, and Fred Phelps who somehow believe it is our duty as Christians to preach a message of hate and condemnation, are seriously mistaken, and cause damage to God’s Kingdom by causing the lost to believe that Christians are nothing more than self-righteous hateful bigots. While there is some validity to preaching a warning message to society about the dire consequences of embracing sin, the focus of Christian outreach efforts should be centered on the Gospel of hope, rather than a message of condemnation. Surely you believe that adultery is a serious sin, but what did Jesus do with the woman caught in the very act of adultery? First, He drove home the message that sinful humans have no right to judge one another’s sins, by challenging the mob with the statement “He who is without sin, cast the first stone.” No one there dared to do so, because they were all made acutely aware of their own guilt. Would you have thrown a stone? I venture to say that Fred Phelps just might have. Second, He (who had a perfect right to condemn her for her sin) refused to do so. Instead, He forgave her and sent her on her way with the admonishment to “Sin no more.”
Jesus was definitely not the wimpy effeminate type that some like to portray Him as. Neither was He the macho man with the “Obey me, for I am God” attitude that other people like to believe He was. He was exactly who He needed to be in every situation. That included being as tough as nails when He was dealing with the Pharisees and their ilk, and as meek as a lamb, when the situation called for it. I have studied God’s word extensively and my conclusion is that we are called to be ambassadors of God’s grace. That does not mean we shouldn’t vigorously oppose sin, just that we should use wisdom in choosing when and where to take our stand against it.
In conclusion, I leave you with Romans 14: 1-13. In this passage Paul exhorts all Christians to get along with each other by not being judgmental or causing one another to stumble. He also shows that the legalistic believer is the one with the weaker faith, but that those who believe they have freedom in Christ are to bear with their weaker brethren and not cause them to stumble.
Romans 14:1-13 (King James Version)
“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye , but not to doubtful disputations.
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak , eateth herbs.
Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth : for God hath received him.
Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth . Yea, he shall be holden up : for God is able to make him stand .
One man esteemeth one day above another : another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth , eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks ; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks .
For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
For whether we live , we live unto the Lord; and whether we die , we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die , we are the Lord’s.
For to this end Christ both died , and rose , and revived , that he might be Lord both of the dead and living .
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
For it is written , As I live , saith the Lord , every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.”
Dear jaws:
You are right!!! You are wasting your time!!
You speculate and pass judgments … I am totally unimpressed!
You like to offer your own “vile” opinions … and at the end of the day that is all they are is … “vile”!!!
While I don’t agree with everything Pastor Phelps said or did [which, I made clear in my original comment] … my most sincere feelings are … one Pastor Phelps is “propably” worth 100’s of jaws … if not more!! You claim to be compassionate … but, to me “you” appear to be just another manpleaser!!! Is there a place for menpleasers .. I hope so!! And for your sake … I really, really hope so!!
You call yourself an “ambassador” for the Kingdom [???]; but, you really impress me as just a ‘weak sister’ … I doubt if you spend any “quality” time witnessing other than your flabby attempts at witnessing to those that are really trying to make a true difference!!!
Also, for some reason you move me as one those so-called “ProChoice Christians”; am I correct??!! Furthermore, when I ask you a question[s] please provide “direct” responses!!!! Now, go back to my other comments to “you” and provide, again, “direct” answers!!!! I have certain speculations about “you” too … but, rather than make a equally feeble attempt at preaching you into the “pit”; as you have done to Pastor Phelps… I really wish to know if I am right about “you”!!!!
Finally, to my very humble understanding, those that are really versed in the WORD have said for decades … that Y’SHUA preached “more” on Hell, something like “twice” as much, than HE did on Heaven … I wonder why … jaws!!! It is most apparent that, evidently, HE wasn’t impressed enough by “your” directives and emails!!! Moreover, if that is correct … then “your” argument is “totally” destroyed … which, would make you a “false” witness!!!
But, Thank You for your concerns, anyway!!!! I will “still” be looking forward to your providing those direct responses that I have requested!
P.S.
Try acting “significantly” more like a Christian than a ‘sodomitepleaser’!!!!
You DARE to tell me to act more like a Christian, after you just practically outright called me a faggot. No, for your information, I am NOT pro-choice. Furthermore, I am not required to answer any of your questions, directly or indirectly. I will give my account to God on the Day of Judgement and so will you. All I can say is I hope you change your know-it-all self-righteous attitude before then, or you may be in serious danger of hellfire.
Dear self-righteous hypocrite aka jaws bka “gums”:
To answer the first part of your comment, first! To “confront” you probably takes “some” of the courage of an eleven year ‘girl’ … or even a very “toothless” old lady! You, apparently, enjoy “name calling” … however, when I asked you a very, very, very simple question … you actually became very “emotional” [???] and as well as “irrational”!! A very simple ‘no, I am not’ would have sufficed … then … but, “not” anymore!!!
Okay, “if” … “IF” …. you are “not” ProChoice … then “exactly” what do you call “your” position on … life??!!
Moreover, jaws, I am getting the very sad, tragic feelings that in your heart you may “wannabe” a true Christian … it really is “not” in you, at all!!!
jaws, you are a sad, little hypocrite … “you” allow the “enemies” of GOD to hide behind a certain flowing garmet that it is probably … more befitting that you wear!!
You see, gums, at the end of the day you are not even “fit” to shine the shoes of a Pastor Phelps!! Tragically, and I sincerely hope that I am wrong, there seems to be something in “you” that will always compel “you” to defend GOD’s enemies … thus, possibly, making you even a “partaker” in their many and numerous …. “abominations”!!!
Please, don’t contact me … anymore!! I have looked at your picture … and I sincerely “doubt” if you have ever been the person that you only claim to be!!! ‘gums, I know Christians, I have served with Christians in the Senate, Christians are friends of mine … gums, “you” are no Christian!!’
‘You are a liar … and the TRUTH just is “not” in you’; at this time … so, there is still yet hope for you!!!
But, feel free to contact me … when you have “finally” decided which side “you” are finally going to be on!!??
In all do respect, out of “your” ignorance … you pervert GOD’s WORD … criticize others who have spent years, if not decades on the mission fields … all the while you see seem to be promoting your ‘New Ageism”; which, is “not” Christianity … but, just a “form” of the gospel that … promotes ‘feelgoodism’ and will rarely allow anyone to find the WAY!!!???
P.S.
I sincerely wish you the best!
P.P.S.
And Thank You for concerning “yourself” regarding my soul … however, use your energy to “guard” your own soul!!! If what you have already “written” is the indicator of what your “faith” is like or about … let us just say, I really feel for your poor lost soul!!!
P.P.P.S.
Only a “true” hypocrite, like yourself …. would ever “attempt” to condemn Pastor Phelps to hell for the ‘f-Word’ … and then turnaround and allow it to “roll-off” you lips, too!! You better hope that Pastor Phelps has “not” taken-up residence in the “pit” … because I can’t see how “you” are not going to join him!!!!????
I never condemned Pastor Phelps to anything. I clearly said that the final dispensation of his misguided soul is in God’s hands. If you don’t want me to contact you, go to your disqus dashboard and block me. How do you accuse me of enjoying “name-calling” when I have not called you a single name in all of our correspondence? Yet you have called me nasty, a self-righteous hypocrite, effeminate, a man-pleaser, a sodomite-pleaser and tried to imply that I myself am a sodomite. So now I will stoop to your level and tell you what you are. You sir are an immature, hypocritical little bigot, and a judgmental person given to fits of rage and hatred, in short a Pharisee. God’s love is not in you, and you demonstrate the opposite of the “fruits of the Spirit” that Christians are known by.
Now that I have said my piece, you need not worry about me contacting you ever again. However, I suspect you will be contacting me, as you are too much of an immature little twit to let something go without trying to have the last word.
Dear gums:
To be be very direct; I “don’t” hate you!!
The facts of the matter are “you” are pitiful; pathetic; and in all likelihood an apostate!!! And that is considering that you may have never been a Christian … at all!!!
I really feel pity for “you”!!! My sincere speculations are that among other things you are weak; as well as cowardly; and double-minded!!! Gums … none of that is “name calling”!!! Also, you seem to suffer from some type of mental laspses or you are just plain “delusional”!!
First of all, only posing as a Christian you “openly” speculated on the final destination of Pastor Fred Phelps!!
Exactly, who do you think you are???!!! I have “absolutely” no doubt Pastor Phelps has entered the Kingdom!! However, the question is where will “you” spend … Eternity!!!
I have read “all” the rants and babblings that you have sent to me!! In my very “humble” opinion … you have absolutely “no” understanding of GOD’s plan for the salvation of HIS chosen people the Jews and as well as HIS elect!!!
Try very hard to remember … it was “you” that openly “speculated” where Pastor Phelps is and that includes this very moment!!! Just what bible or Bible do you study from … and do you actually attend a “real” church … or just one of those “feel good centers”???!!! And please go back and read … while actally “thinking” … regarding the most hateful things that “you” wrote about Pastor Phelps!!!
If Pastor Phelps had lived maybe 1000 more years … just maybe he could have “possibly” approached your level of … “perfection”!!! LOL!!!
And make no mistake about it … I described the chracter that you “projected” in you writings!!! I would not even consider calling you any names; for one thing, you are just too “weak”!!! And as far as you even “possibly” being a sodomite … in my “opinion” … as opposed to you just providing a “straight” answer … ‘me thinks you protests too much’ … however, that is just my opinion!! Also, “you”, yourself have used the f-Word at this very site … you, gums, are a “hypocrite”; and there are no two ways about it!!!!
Finally, concerning your pathetic little opinion that I am a … “immature little twit” … I have no doubt that that is the very first thing that you “always” think of whenever you see “yourself” in the mirror!!! But, “unlike” you I don’t practice “apostasy”!!! If … “if” … you are really a true Christian … I sincerely hope that you “do” grow in the faith … as opposed to these ‘side shows’ that you have been putting on … to win “youself” the smiles and respect of the “sodomites”; because I, currently, have no respect for “you”!! You should be on your knees every single day praying to have the faith that, I sincerely believe, Pastor Phelps had in the past life!!!
To be very direct with you also, I am not concerned in the very least about the respect of a hateful intolerant bigot like you.
Dear gums:
Just a message to “you” regarding the “many” lies and falsehoods that “you have” already told!; and as well as regarding misrepresenting the TRUTH!!! Specifically, regardling Y’SHUA “not” ever … “judging”!!!
John 8:43-45
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not
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Likewise! I feel the same about … “liberals” …like “yourself”!!!! Just “keep” bowing to “your” true master …”Satan”!!!
P.S.
Let the record show and confirm that gums … formerly known as “jaws” [????] has never answered a single relative question placed to “him”!!
P.P.S.
Say hello to your spiritual dad, Satan ,,, formerly known as … Lucifer!! On your “present” course I have “no” doubt that the two of “you” will have plenty of time to catch-up!!!
Proved my point twice now. Immature twit. How much is your gay buddy Obama paying you to sit at the internet cafe’ and disrupt conservative web forums?
Dear gums666:
Oh, gums … “you” have “no” point[s] … nor brains … or any commonsense for that matter!
Your only skills are, of course, “name calling”!!
Also, is that what the other … “children” … called “you” in the school yard, an … “Immature twit” … and you, of course, ran home crying!! You “didn’t” call them any names back … you simply ran; good job; ‘discretion is the better part of valor’! Moreover, I am inquiring about the events of just … “yesterday”!!
gums, you are “not” mature nor are you immature!! You twist Scripture … to your “own” eventual and final detriment!! “You” are just walking “proof” that liberalism … is a certifiably … “mental dease”!!!
And since I utilize Scripture; deal in facts and substance … I “still” expected you to, at least, attempt to “rise” to my level! But, you simply “can’t”!!! I “challenged” you to go back to my “other” comments … and provide a “Biblical” response for your very irrational positions … but, you, again, … “can’t”!!! However, the challenge “still” remains .. to “you”!!!
Why??!!
The obvious … either “you” are, again, “not” a Christian and have never been … or you are just “ignorant” of Scripture; and probaly will “always” be!!! I could provide the verse{s] for you … but, I already “know” that you are “not” interested!! Why allow the the TRUTH … to get into “your” way!! gums666, you have “demonstrated” that you are a, if not “the” … ‘Champion for the Sodomites’; … and good job, gums666!!!
You verbally attacked Pastor Phelps … after … he died!!! Everyone knows that if you “really” had the “guts” and the true “conviction” of your so tragic position … you would have “wrote” him … at the Westboro Baptist Church and “while” he was among the living … and, of course, signed your “given” name … and provided Pastor Phelps an address to actually get in “contact” with … “you”!!
However, “we” know why you didn’t … you were “frightened” … you were downright “terrified” … that Pastor Phelps would have shown up on your doorsteps … and face-to-face … you would “absolutely” have destroyed your favorite pair of pants!!
Yeah, I know, you “would have” faced him down … but, that old back injury of your’s, sure!? “Yellow streak” … getting “wider”, gums??!! The Champion of the Sodomites … dirtying himself … in public!!?? Some hero you are???!!! But, you are right … it is better for “you” to face-off … with real “men” that have passed-on; your “buddy” Goliath, could have used your advice on “gums666 courage”!!
P.S.
You call “yourself” a “conservative” … but, you are as conservative as … John McCain!! But, at least, McCain to his credit .. was … a war hero!!!
P.P.S.
Also, if I were “you” … I wouldn’t be throwing Mr. Obama’s name around like that … it could “cost” you “more” than just your “Winter Season” bonus!!! gums666 … this is “not” name calling … “you” are an advocate; an apologist for the sodomite-left … proof is “witnessed” … in your “own” comments!!! Moreover, the perversion of Scripture …. is, again, in “your own” … comments!!!
You have “sided” with the … sodomites … “you” seek their comfort … and that is your choice … in this life!!! And you call yourself a … conservative??!! But, yes “you” are … a conservative of the ‘Sodomite Agenda’!!! And your “rewards” will be reflected in your most “pathetic” works!!
P.P.P.S.
You know that it is only a matter of time before you gather your limp courage and come out “publically” for sodomite marriage; a significant reduction in the age of conscent … “pedophila”!!! And as well ‘protected class’ designation for … “sodomites”!!!
P.P.P.P.S.
Finally, I shall keep checking this site … in the event that you may “stumble” upon a “correct” Scriptural “response”!!!
Proved my point three times now twit, You just have to have the last word. If you want to know why I refuse to debate you any more try Proverbs 26:4
You are off on saying, “you will keep HIS commandments; and, not yours!!!” You are to keep his commandments, that is 100% correct. However, there is nothing to be said about you not keeping your own commandments, (assuming they do not go against God commandments.
Dear paul:
Again, for some reason you feel a need to contact me in confirmation that you have “properly” discerned what I am attempting to communicate!
Some people, especially sodomites, have their own so-called churches where they pervert the word of GOD; they have their own commandments that provides for their sexual misconduct and behavior!! They even only “claim” to be saved as “practicing sodomites!!!
But, Thank You, anyway!!
Yeshua/Jesus’s teaching, called “The Sermon on the Mount” begins Matthew 5:3 in the section called the Beatitudes, and is not finished until He quits speaking in chapter 7:27. To take any part of this Sermon by Yeshua/Jesus without including all of the Sermon, is to take the verses out of context. This is the same thing haters of the Bible and the haters of the Lord’s followers, who study the Bible, do. They try to use the Bible to attack Christ and His Church. The followers of Christ should always guard themselves against that practice.
Dear Clint:
My focus and the direction that I wanted to convey focuses upon Chapter 7 of Matthew!
Furthermore, the individuals that GOD, HIMSELF, choose to “organize” the Scriptures were, apparently, guided to separate the Sermon on the Mount into several separate chapters! Apparently, they were guided into separating this sermon and without losing any of the context!!
So, I will stand by their direction and final publishing!
However, thank you for taking the time to educate me!
Don’t thank me because it obviously did not work. Do you have any idea when the numbered chapters and verses were inserted in the Bible? The only reason they were included was because some man thought that would make it easier for man to understand and remember the writings. May I ask you, when you speak, do you number the paragraphs and sentences? When the chapters and sentences are numbered it creates divisions of thought that were never intended. Are you aware that the Hebrew original writings had no vowels and no spaces between the words and letters. An example of that truth is the unspeakable name Of GOD which is YHVH. I challenge you to pronounce that name as spelled in the original, without first adding corrupted letters to it, which GOD chose to not include. Before you pontificate about individuals that GOD HIMSELF choose (sic) (chose) to “organize” the Scriptures, you probably would do yourself a favor by knowing what you are talking about. One more challenge that I would offer you is, try reading the Sermon on the Mount in it’s entirety as though there were no numbers and see if the Sermon is more clear. Are you aware that the name of GOD’s only begotten Son is not the English word, Jesus? His name was, is and will forever be YESHUA which is ‘SALVATION’ in the Hebrew and Aramaic. Please don’t think that I think that I know everything. I do not, but I continue to study the Word and I find, the more I learn, the smaller I feel in the sight of my Savior, YESHUA. Study is a good thing.
Dear Clint:
I have no idea why you have taken the tone that you have??!!
Before you challenge me, shouldn’t you … first challenge the various publishers of KJV Bible!!! You may be the only one that wants to take the numbers out of the Bible!
By the WAY, what would you replace the chapter numbers and verse numbers with??!!!
As far as knowing what I am talking about … “you” don’t seem to be having a problem deciphering what I have been communicating to you and others!
As far as HIS unspeakable name … we all know that no one is “worthy” to even speak HIS name!! So, with that said, everyone is blessed to be able to call HIS name … or really names, plural!! Personally, I really like ELOHIM and EL SHADDI and as well as I AM!!!
Moreover, the Hebrews desired to be “most” reverent and they considered it “not” proper to speak GOD’s name!! However, there are “false” gods about; so, if one does not call HIS name … it leaves room for confusion!!
I will pass on your challenge! I like to have things broken down into smaller bits of information for my personal consumption!!
Finally, as far as Y’SHUA’s Hebrew name, if you should read some of my previous comments you will confirm that I have been using HIS Hebrew name for some time, now!! I wish for Jewish believers to “know” that their MESSIAH has come into the world and is to return for the Rapture!!
May I ask, what are some of your missions or the missions that you support?!
P.S.
Even if you “don’t: wish to believe it … I do plan to consider your suggestions, Clint!
Maybe this will help you understand what I am getting at. I am going to use your last post as the example of what I am trying to convey. Keep in mind that this is about taking a part of the Sermon on the Mount and using it in a way that YESHUA may have never intended. That would be taking it out of context. You wrote to jaws4316 with the comment, “Little doubt, you should read the “entire” chapter of Matthew 7, and not stop at the first several verses; and get back to me!!, so I responded in kind with the hope that you would then see what a lofty position you had taken. I responded with a suggestion for you should remember, “Yeshua/Jesus’s teaching, called “The Sermon on the Mount” begins Matthew 5:3 in the section called the Beatitudes, and is not finished until He quits speaking in chapter 7:27. To take any part of this Sermon by Yeshua/Jesus without including all of the Sermon, is to take the verses out of context. This is the same thing haters of the Bible and the haters of the Lord’s followers, who study the Bible, do. They try to use the Bible to attack Christ and His Church. The followers of Christ should always guard themselves against that practice”, for the purpose of revealing to you that you are doing the same thing that you accuse jaws4316 of doing, which is taking just part of the Sermon to prove your point. You then responded, “I have no idea why you have taken the tone that you have??!!”. The thought about the numbered chapters and verses was to point out that YESHUA did not speak in chapters and verses, especially numbered ones. These divisions by chapters and numbers tends to give more of a chance for mankind to take the Lord’s Sermon and use just parts of it to teach their particular doctrine. I didn’t say that I advocated for the removal of the numbering system. What I was pointing out is this. If you can loftily scold jaws4316 to read the whole chapter 7, you should take your own advice and read the whole Sermon. Now I will use your last post with the words out of context.
May I ask, what are some of your missions or the missions that you support?! “Finally, as far as Y’SHUA’s Hebrew name, if you should read some of my previous comments you will confirm that I have been using HIS Hebrew name for some time, now!! I wish for Jewish believers to “know” that their MESSIAH has come into the world and is to return for the Rapture!! “Before you challenge me, shouldn’t you … first challenge the various publishers of KJV Bible!!! You may be the only one that wants to take the numbers out of the Bible! “I will pass on your challenge! I like to have things broken down into smaller bits of information for my personal consumption!!” “By the WAY, what would you replace the chapter numbers and verse numbers with??!!!”As far as knowing what I am talking about … “you” don’t seem to be having a problem deciphering what I have been communicating to you and others!” “Moreover, the Hebrews desired to be “most” reverent and they considered it “not” proper to speak GOD’s name!! However, there are “false” gods about; so, if one does not call HIS name … it leaves room for confusion!! ”
Now, I am quite sure you would say something like, “that’s not what I said” or “you took what I said out of context”, and you would be correct. I did take out of context what you posted, but I did it not to blast you. I did it to show you dear brother, that we are to be held to the same standard that Brother Paul held Timothy, when he told him in in 2Timothy 2;15 “Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” My suggestion to you to, ” One more challenge that I would offer you is, try reading the Sermon on the Mount in it’s entirety as though there were no numbers and see if the Sermon is more clear”, was to help you see that YESHUA’s Sermon was and is a complete running topic and not one to be divided.
I do hope this clarifies my intent.
The missions I support are Zola Levitt Presents, Prophecy in the News and others. I too want the Jews and Israel to come to a saving knowledge of YESHUA. I will not support the Fellowship of Christians and Jews because the Rabbi running that group will not agree for Christians to share the Gospel with the Jews. The point about the name of YHVH is that no one can say that name without adding to it. It was not an effort to say that you don’t honor that name, YHVE. I just had cataract surgery so I’m off to bed. May you be blessed in YESHUA.
Dear Clint:
I have been a part of the legal system … I have given “depositions” my paragraphs are “numbered” then!! However, when individuals start studying my personal writings, I will consider numbering!
However, you still have not provided a solution to not using numbers!?
Everything you respond with is always the same. You try to justify and defend your self. Nothing that I have written in response to you has been about the numbers. I have been trying to get you to see what the writings of the Bible is about, but I always much prefer to let the Holy Spirit do His work. Maybe it is your legal system training, I’m just not sure. YESHUA’s Sermon on the Mount is a complete thought and teaching concerning why He came to the nation of Israel. According to the prophetic Scripture, it was necessary for YESHUA, the Jewish Messiah to offer Himself and His Messianic office to the Jews first, yet He would be rejected and crucified. The Sermon on the Mount is about the Kingdom of Heaven. Please notice in verse 3 of Matthew 5th chapter that YESHUA begins with the “kingdom of heaven” and it continues through verse 10 speaking of the “kingdom of heaven”, and He was presenting His teaching to a people who obviously did not understand that the Messiah is the one to who they are listening with awe. This entire sermon is about YESHUA presenting, for the first time, the kingdom to Israel. In chapter 6:7 YESHUA teaches the Jews gathered before him that they are to pray with a sincere heart and not recite vain repetitions of many words just to fulfill a religious requirement thinking that will get GOD’s attention. YESHUA tells the Jews in Verse 8 “Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.” YESHUA then in verse 9. teaches those present, “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11. Give us this day our daily bread. 12. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever, Amen.” Pay close attention to verse 10 because YESHUA teaches the kingdom on earth, which is GOD’s will done in earth, as it is in heaven. In other words, YESHUA has at this point begun to present the kingdom to Israel. He is fulfilling prophecy by presenting the kingdom. In verse 33. YESHUA the Messiah then tells them a little more about their relationship with the kingdom, “But seek ye first the kingdom of GOD, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.” In chapter 7:21 YESHUA is still teaching the Kingdom of heaven, “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven”, and notice YESHUA said “my Father”. GOD is YESHUA the messiah’s Father. YESHUA is presenting the Kingdom to the people of Israel. The Kingdom of Heaven that YESHUA is teaching and presenting is the Messianic Kingdom, which is GOD’s will is done on earth as GOD’s will is done in Heaven. Look at verses 28 & 29 of chapter 7, after YESHUA finished speaking, “And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine; For he taught them as one having authority, and not se the scribes”. The authority the Jews sensed was the authority of the Messiah.
In Matthew 1:1 “The book of the generation of Jesus Christ(the Messiah), the son of David, the son Abraham”. It establishes the main message of Matthew’s Gospel, that Jesus/YESHUA is the Messiah and King.
I am but a student of the Bible and these teachings are not my brainchild. These teachings are attributed to Dr. C.I. Scoffield, D.D. 1909 as recorded in the Word and Scofield’s notes in the Scofield KJV Reference Bible.
Clint (I hope this prompts you to dig deep into GOD’s word.)
It is always about the topic, subject of YESHUA’s teaching, and never about the numbers. The teaching was and is from YESHUA, and the numbers is an invention of man. Simple as that.
Dear Clint:
According to “your” response … it according to the subheading: Clint to Clint … makes it appear that you are not having arguments with … “yourself”!!???
Just “exactly” [what] brought that on????!!!
“Clint [ to] Clint • 3 days ago
It is always about the topic, subject of YESHUA’s teaching, and never about the numbers. The teaching was and is from YESHUA, and the numbers is an invention of man. Simple as that.”
That was a human error. Unlike some folks, I still make one every once in a while. The whole point was not that the numbers were never helpful. They are helpful, but the student of the Bible has a responsibility to keep in mind that the chapters and verse numbers is a more or less modern man made addition to the Holy Scriptures. The numbered chapters and verses is an artificial division, so one must be careful that rather than reading just the certain verses in a given section, such as the chapter 7 of Matthew that started this discussion, each of us have a responsibility to include the entire topic in any given section. We should always read as many verses before and after a particular section so that we avoid teaching something that distorts the Word. That, in a nutshell, is what I was trying to get across. If one uses just a few selected words or verses, one can teach what one wishes. That is one reason there are so many different Church groups. Our responsibility is to “rightly divide” the Word as Paul instructed Timothy. The Sermon on the Mount preached by YESHUA covers the better part of 3 chapters, and to rightly divide it requires that the full topic be considered.
It was never my intention to say the numbering system is not helpful in committing the verses to memory and general reference, but we must make sure that the manmade numbering system does not interfere with understanding what the writer was trying to convey. We can usually get it correctly if we read the verses before and the verses behind the verse section we are concentrating on. I hope this helps clear it up.
Dear Clint:
I hope you realized that … ultimately … you just confirmed my argumet!!! “Numbers” were / are a “great” addition to Scripture!!! It allows everyone to “focus” and to “concentrate” upon a certain segment of HIS thought[s]; which, was what I was trying to explain to “you” when you went off on a complete tangent!!!
Confirmation of that is the very fine and wonderful presentation that you just delivered to me; and very much filled with “numbers”!! Good Jooob!!!! However, had you mentioned what your “ultimate” point or focus was I do believe that I would have gotten “more” out of your presentation!!
However, that was “not” my focus when I was commenting / communicating to the “ever” emotional jaws!!!! I was trying to point-out the statement: “Judge not and ye shall not be judged” is out of context when lifted out of the [numbered] Chapter 7!!!
For instance, let us say I am a member of ‘organized crime’ or a corrupt policitian [I’ll let you tell me the difference] and I go about “all” my days never making absolutely any judgments about absolutely anything: women being raped; babies murdered in the womb; sodomites showing their individual and collective shame every June; and “you” ask me my opinion on anything … and my only response is: Whom am I to judge?!
Okay according to you and jaws … I am a “lock” to be in the kingdom beause … I never “judged” anything … or anybody???!!! Correct, right?!
I hope that the both of you realize that that is wrong!! However, if I have to explain that to you … just contact me; and I will be most happy to!!!
P.S.
In case you “did’t” realize it … I don’t have to “justify” myself to “you” or anyone elses!! I am alredy justified by HIS blood …. so, “your” complaints will have to taken-up with my … BOSS!!!!!!!
I’ll be glad to provide Book/Chapter?Verse[s]?!, as you ask for, and this response is not meant to be trivial, smart mouth, or any other way a derogatory thing. God begins the story of His love for truth and right in His Book called the Holy Bible, in Genesis 1:1 and He finishes the story in Revelation 22:21 when God’s Righteousness will be established, and Truth will have prevailed. The reason that I answer in this way is this. When anyone, myself included, quotes one or two verses and then gives their opinion, that is exactly what you have, a personal opinion. If you will read God’s book for the answer, you will get the Truth, God’s way.
Dear Clint:
I wholeheartedly agree!!
However, you are aware that you have just used numbers for the chapters and verses … I understood you to be taking issue with numbers being included in the Bible!?
Also, even when one reads and studies the Bible … at some point one is going to have to convey one’s personal “understanding” regarding what readings has been covered in their “own” words … which, I don’t personally consider to be one’s opinion … but, the understanding that one is perceiving!
Write me back when you have read the entire Sermon. I have a few things to share with you and all who are interested.
that would be true regardless of the discipline;
How would the Westboro folks feel if protestors showed up at Phelps’ funeral with “God Hates Bigots” signs?
I think they would be welcome – and they would quickly leave when the Westboro folks put up there counter message signs.
I doubt if they will be impressed … and will continue with their memorial services!
What are you trying to do, polish up sin, of course we can do nothing like GOD, hate sin or anything else. But first GOD does hate sin and I believe that he expects us to hate sin and not to deliberately commit wickedness. on the other hand we are expected to love each other.
If GOD does not hate sin it seem quite queer why he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of he vast commitment of homosexuality, HE says homosexuality is an abomination to HIM.
How id GOD’S hate different from ours, that is clearly beyond me. One thing for sure, you are not even a halfway decent Bible teacher, you don’t have a clue;
for once I agree with you! You cannot be a decent bible teacher unless you’re filled with hate!
your skewed and bitter attitude is not only way off but will exclude you from the Truth, if it ever does find you.
Goodbye Fred Phelps and may the Lord forgive you and give you a decent place in heaven. You didn’t earn it while on earth but God will forgive you anyway and I hope you send a message to your followers that God told you what you did was wrong and they stop this foolishness.
He’ll get more than a decent place in heaven. And I bet you think Ellen Degenerate is earning her place in heaven.
My God forgives all sins. How about yours?
the biggest problem with pseudo-Christians these days is claiming to speak for God. How do you know God will “forgive him anyway”? What does God say in His Word? Phelps demonstrated an unforgiving and unrepentant heart, and lead his followers in the same destructive path!!! More than likely their are Saints and Angels lining up at the Gate to Heaven with signs proclaiming exactly why NOT to let Phelps into Heaven.
I really don’t know for sure if he will forgive him, but he is a loving and forgiving God in my pseudo- Christian view.
don’t pretend to speak for God when you completely ignore His Word! That’s what Phelps did!
I hope protesters do show up at his funeral! He was a piece of human shit!
Dear jmach11:
Which of you did more for the Kingdom … you or Pastor Phelps?! If Pastor Phelps, what would that make “you”??!!
Besides disrupting the funerals of fallen soldiers and disrespecting the grieving families, I know of nothing positive that Phelps did for the “Kingdom.” Do you consider preaching violence against innocent people something a so-called preacher should be engaged in? That is the legacy that Phelps leaves.
Well, I guess Fred Phelps finally gave his best and most important sermon to the Westboro Church. By his long overdue death, he demonstrated to his followers and congregation that “you reap what you sew.” I just hope that they were all paying close attention along with any others out there who want to mimic this supposed church’s hatred. As for Phelps, Good Riddance!
“or rend what you sew”
HOORAY for our side!!
2 Tim 2:23-26
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
New King James Version
They came through our Town on the way to Raleigh decades ago. My Real Estate Office was about twenty five yards from the intersection. They got out to preach their rabid, hate-filled, and extremely TOXIC religious(?) message via tirade! Waving signs, shouting at cars passing by. I had clients in my office who had come up from Florida looking for property who were HORRIFIED! I went to the corner and faced over a dozen of them! Apprehensive, but unafraid because I knew God was right beside me! I prayed silently in front of them for God to give me the words to say! He SHUT them UP! I opened my mouth and heart to God and he filled them both! I don’t remember most of what I said to them, but I was crying when I finished! Not a word out of anyone, even him! I looked him straight into his eyes and God filled my heart with utter peace and joy, and YES, love and compassion! HE could sense it too! He turned to his group and told them they needed to get to Raleigh before dark! I was still crying when I got back to my Office, but it wasn’t from fear! It was for deep gratitude to GOD and LOVE for him that he thought I was worthy of such a task! I sincerely hope that before he died, he searched and found the TRUE GOD! The ONLY one who can offer hope, compassion, grace, TOTAL forgiveness, and complete security for all eternity! God allowed him enough time to THINK on his past actions and decide if he was happy with it! He knew he was going to face God with his heart full of hate and venom! Did he realize the people he had hurt? Did he asked God to forgive him? If he was too stubborn or hard-heart’d to admit he needed to REPENT, then he can’t blame anyone else when he had to do a u-turn at the “Gates of Heaven”! That would be so tragic to miss Heaven! NOTHING on earth is worth losing that!
Way to be strong…
Amazing how we condemn these people for their lack of love, and rightfully so, but how often have we unjustly did the same. Today we self-righteously thumb our noses at GOD, not only verbally with venomous hate and denial but those who say they know Jesus Christ do the same, by way of not doing what He has commanded for us to do in “ALL” areas of life. Is any man perfect, NO! Are all forgiven, yes, if by way of the cross only. Tolerance, is under girded by Truth spoken in love, ideally, and endurance (tolerance) is manifested LOVE through THE TRUTH, THE WAY and THE LIFE. If neighter are present, Love is not mature and THE TRUTH, THE WAY and THE LIFE is not made manifested as GOD intended.
Let me repeat – God does hate fags. He hates fags because among other things they are child molesters. Fags hold these gatherings called ‘chicken parties’ where they trade young children – typically these children are street waifs and runaways. How much more reprehensible can you get! So again I repeat, God does hate fags – fags are the sperm of Satan and a contagion on earth.
10 to 1 says you’re another self loathing closet homosexual leading the anti gay parade
Does anybody really give a crap…bury him before he stinks…good riddance.
where’s the line to piss on his grave????
I remember what he and his followers did at the funerals of our brave servicemen and women. Perhaps we should do the same to him. May he rot in!
“…destructive misrepresentation of Christianity.” Huh? You will be hard pressed to find a passage in any Christian writings that are not critical, or even down right condemn homosexuality. Homosexuality is considered a sin at best, and a scourge upon humanity at worse. The modern Christian churches that welcome homosexuals do so with the stipulation that they repent and ask for forgiveness.
You could say the same about divorce, adultery, premarital sex, masturbation, non virgin brides, etc, etc, etc
he wasn’t being exclusive. John 7:53 – 8:11 spells it out quite well.
One down ….. Two to Go…….
……. We’ll celebrate when the others take a dirt nap –
Jesse Jack’s Son and Al Sharp tongue ………….
Loser Negroes like the one in D.C. …………………
What? No details on the funeral?
Burn in HELL, Fred! That’s where you belong. You earned it! The rest of your sick family can join you soon, hopefully.