Ex-Gay Controversy Highlights Extreme Breach in “Gay” Debate

When Alan Chambers, the ex-gay ex-president of the now defunct Exodus International, closed the doors to that organization’s controversial ex-gay “reparative therapy,” he made a public statement apologizing for the damage the ex-gay program had done to the homosexual community. He said:

I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.

What Chambers was apologizing for was the assurance that Exodus gave to homosexuals that they could be completely freed from all same-sex attraction—that they could be rewired heterosexual. He said this was especially damaging to the young people and their parents who came to the organization “looking for a cure” for homosexuality.

The ex-gay controversy is a strange, twisting puzzle. On one hand, homosexuals believe that an ex-gay “must never have been really gay at all” or is “just deluding himself.” Recently, Michael Glatze, a high-profile ex-gay, got married (to a woman). On the pro-homosexual website “Truth Wins Out,” the announcement of Glatze’s marriage was met with derision, disbelief, and fake sympathy for the poor, nice girl who was soon to be the ex-wife of a “relapsed” ex-gay. Because you can’t change your nature, can you?

On the other hand, Michael Glatze’s view is that no one is actually gay. In an interview with a homosexual former close friend, Glatze said: “I don’t see people as gay anymore. I don’t see you as gay. I don’t see him [Glatze’s ex-boyfriend] as gay. God creates us heterosexual. We may get other ideas in our head about what we are, and I certainly did, but that doesn’t mean they’re the truth.”

This highlights the major ideological breach between those who view homosexuality as an identity and those who view it as a malfunction. The ex-gay controversy sits squarely between both worlds. Homosexuals want to believe that an ex-gay was either never truly gay or never remaining heterosexual. Many ex-gay leaders believe that attractions and inclinations are individuating elements of human nature, but our impulses and desires do not compose our identity.

In a consumer society, we so often view ourselves in terms of what we desire or what we possess. Homosexuals desire same-sex relationships. Vegetarians don’t want to eat meat. Chevy drivers have bumper stickers of bad boys peeing on Ford logos. Apple users poo-poo on PCs. PC users think Apple users are pretentious. Everything is a brand. Even the ichthus on your car or the stick figures of your huge family have all become part of a commercial identity—a brand. In this morasse, it is easy to lose sight of the value of individuals and the importance of personal integrity. It is easier to belong to a group that defines the protocols of your behavior than it is to figure out what you should be doing for yourself. It is easier to define yourself according to what you own than to hold your own actions accountable to internalized principles.

Ex-gay men are not necessarily repressing their true selves—because our true selves are an externalization of internal realities. Not the other way around, as our society sees it. You can’t change yourself with a change of behavior. That’s why Exodus International didn’t really work much of the time. But that doesn’t mean change isn’t possible. Even a change of nature.

That is the scariest reality of the ex-gay movement in the eyes of homosexuals. If ex-gay men were truly and legitimately homosexual at one time, and are now truly and legitimately ex-gay, that proves homosexuality cannot be an incontrovertible necessity of nature. Homosexuals hate this possibility. It strikes at the very heart of their self-identity. If someone can really be ex-gay, then homosexuality is merely a behavior, not an identity.

137 responses

  1. Christians just hate to admit prayer doesn’t work & that being the case “pray the gay away” was nothing more than another money scheme preying on the guilt of Christian homosexuals.

  2. Though two dogs may have more in common, it’s clear that dogs AND cats can get along (just can’t breed without DNA manipulation).

  3. Question: Just how does one become an ex-gay? We’ve been told for years that a person is born gay and not merely indoctrinated or having made the choice to be gay. You folks in the gay community are confusing me with your contradictions.

    • Ask I EXPAT. He was once ejected from a hospital after two quarts of semen were removed from his stomach. Now he lives in Honduras with his nurse/wife.

      I think he said he turned ex-gay after he sucked a thousand d1cks.

        • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

          Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal
          Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a
          card carryin’ member of NAMBLA.

          At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his gray haired prolapsed @sshole all day.

      • Mr. Bigot said above:
        Andrew Silver fideux• 2 days ago−
        “Ask I EXPAT. He was once ejected from a hospital after two quarts of semen were removed from his stomach. Now he lives in Honduras with his nurse/wife.I think he said he turned ex-gay after he sucked a thousand d1cks.”

        Meanwhile Silver said on another post:
        “My advice to people is to keep their controversial homophobic or racist remarks to themselves until they are in private.”
        Ha! Morons are entertaining !

        Daddy never called him a genius. I wonder if he is dating Bob.

    • NukeWaste, “Does anybody REALLY care”? Are ‘you’ kidding me of course there are millions of folks who care about this, why ask such a crazy question?? Anyone who believes Pedophelia is normal is just as sick as those two men who raped and prostituted that boy.

  4. The end of the article hits the core issue. Sodomy, the proper term for the behavior, is just that – a behavior. A person makes a choice to be a sodomite or engage in sodomy. And, as with all behaviors, a behavior when engaged in long enough will create an imprint. This is why people who were addicted to drugs – illicit or licit, alcohol, or behaviors have trouble staying free of the addiction or behavior. This is why drug addicts, alcoholics, ex-con, etc are supposed to stay aware from the prior associates. It is too easy to fall back into the old behavioral patterns due to the behavioral imprinting. Imprints take years to fade.

    Behavior can be especially insidious as they involve self-image. This is especially true of children and the issues related to puberty. One reason the sodomite community wants to teach children that their behavior is normal so when a child goes through puberty they can be convinced they when their bodies respond to pheromones around them that they are really sodomites. Our course what the children are experiencing is classic dominance behavior that is present in the animal kingdom. This is also why the sodomite community pushes the idea their behavior is a gender or ethnicity as a further trick to trap people into the behavior.

  5. Homosexuality is a lifestyle and a choice. You can either choose to act upon it or not. Something from the time you could speak clearly (2-4) something influenced you to be that way. Many people don’t identify that person as a gay. Just their lifestyle. They are a person, but what they actually do defines them.

  6. FILTHY F A G G O T QU E E R S TOOK A BEAUTIFUL WORD “GAY”
    TURNED IT INTO FILTH JUST LIKE THEY ARE>> THEN THEY TOOK A BEAUTIFUL SYMBOL THAT GOD DESIGNED “THE RAINBOW” AND TURNED THAT INTO FILTH JUST LIKE THEY ARE>> GET THE GUILLOTINE OUT OF MOTH/BALLS AND LINE EM UP>>PERIOD!!!

    • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

      Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal
      Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a
      card carryin’ member of NAMBLA.

      At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his gray haired prolapsed @sshole all day.

      • I stopped reading the clashdaily because of the many comments like yours. Conservative ideas require decency and respect. Your comments lack common decency.

        • HEY SCOTTY BOY>>>>>> BUT DOWN THE CRACK/PIPE>>GO BACK TO YOUR PORN, WINFREY, WHOOPIE, SPRINGER, THE VIEW AND THE REST OF THAT ILK>>>>>>>>. GET A SENSE OF HUMOR!!
          BUT YOU ARE INVITED TO MOOOCHELLLE
          BLACKIE O`s HIGH SCHOOL REUNION>> OR IS THAT YOUR WHITE/FACE IN THE BACKGROUND>>>

          • GEE I OFFENDED YOU >>>>>> THAT IS A MY JOB ON THIS EARTH TO P I S S LIBERALS OFF/ PERIOD>>>>>>>>> YOU MADE MY DAY>>THANX

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his prolapsed @sshole all day.

          • Is that you with Jesus and Mary looking at your gesture of ????

            Is this gesture one of love or hate?

            Are you falling into sin or rising above to love?

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his torn up @sshole all day.

          • Your god is not the God of the Bible. God is love (I John 4:8). Love is kind. Love is not jealous or boastful (I Cor 13)

            You are obviously boastful and lacking kindness because you want to be offensive and rude.

            Your own words of intent betray you as a person of the devil, not of those who are in the light.

          • READ AND HEED>>>>> HEATHEN>>>>>>>>>>>

            JESUS SAID IT, I READ IT IN THE BIBLE, I BELIEVE IT, END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!!! GOD MADE THE DESCENDANTS OF “CAIN” (CAIN AND ABEL) BLACK, SO THE WORLD COULD SEE WHAT EVIL LOOKS LIKE. GOT IT NOW MAGGOT????

            LOOK AT THE PHOTO IT IS PURE EVIL.>>> PERIOD.!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Did you know that the descendents of Cain died because of the flood?

            Only Noah and his family survived. All others perished.

            2nd – Obama is a man. All men are created equal, endowed with certain unalienable Rights. Christ died that all men might be saved.

            Your language fits a person whose heart is filled with hate.

          • I DON`T HATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I JUST DESPISE>>>
            N I G G E RS A FILTHY RACE OF SUB/HUMANS. I
            DESPISE ILLEGAL MAGGOT PARASITES AND THEIR ANCHOR PIGLETS THAT GET INTO MY POCKETS AND I DESPISE RAG/HEAD MUSLIMS WHO WHAT TO KILL CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES>>> WAKE THE F U C K UP SCOTT YOUR LIBERAL
            A S S /HOLE

          • Is this the language of love you use with your family?

            Is this language for convincing others of the validity of your ideas?

            Since it is neither, what is the goal of speaking in such a manner?

          • I HAVE NO FAMILY ANY MORE>>>> YOU JUST PROVE TO ME THAT N I G G E R S ARE NOT SUB/HUMAN SAVAGES PROVE IT TO ME!!!>> YOUR CAN NOT>>>BECAUSE THEY PROVE IT EVERY DAY THAT THEY ARE FILTHY SUB/HUMAN SAVAGES>> PROVE TO ME THAT THEY ARE NOT!!!! GO ON PROVE IT TO ME>>>>>>>> THAT N I G G E RS ARE NOT SUB/HUMAN SAVAGES>>>>>>>>> ie KNOCK OUT GAMES ON WHITE SENOR CITIZENS. YOU SCOTT ARE A SUB/HUMAN FOOL>>>>>>>>>>>. PERIOD

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his prolapsed @sshole all day.

          • HONDURAS!!!!!!!!!!

            I LIVE IN A CITY AND GO TO THE MALLS AND SUPERMARKETS BEEN HERE 9 YEARS THERE ARE NO CARJACKING, NO LITTLE OLD LADIES BEING PUSHED TO THE GROUND FOR THEIR HANDBAGS, NO STRONG ARMED ROBERIES IN THE PARKING LOTS. EVERYONE IS HAPPY AND ENJOYING THEMSELVES. NO LOUD BOISTEROUS TALK OR RAP MUSIC, NO FLASH MOBS AND SMASH AND GRABS AND WHY IS ALL THIS>>>>>> NO N I G G E R S YEP NO N I G G E R S. N I G G E R S ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE MALLS UNLESS THEY HAVE SMALL CHILDREN WITH THEM NO MORE THEN 2 TEENAGED N I G G E R S TOGETHER ARE ALLOWED IN THE MALLS OR SUPERMARKETS, NO POLITICAL CORRECTNESS HERE. I AM SPEAKING THE TRUTH. BELIEVE IT OR NOT. GOD BLESSED MY CITY WITH HIS OWN HANDS. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THEY TRIED TO FLASH MOB THE MALLS HERE. THEY WERE CAPTURED JAIL AND THE LAW AND POLICIES ABOVE WERE IMPLEMENTED. FACT.

            ADIOS YOU DUMB/A S S LIBERAL OBAMA JOCK/TRAP SNIFFER.

          • You’re a dumb idiot.

            You’re bragging about how safe Honduras is and police have proclaimed it one of the most dangerous areas on Earth.

            San Pedro Sula, Honduras, has been given the unfortunate title of the most dangerous city in the world. The data was compiled by Citizen Council for Public Security, Justice, and Peace, a Mexican think tank focusing on crime statistics from the Western Hemisphere. The city tops the list for the second year in a row. Photographers Jorge Cabrera of Reuters and Esteban Felix of Associated Press spent time with with local police and in emergency rooms documenting the violence at the end of March 2013. They captured arresting scenes of death, fear, pain, and grief. San Pedro Sula has a homicide rate of 169 per 100,000 people. Laws allow civilians to own up to five personal guns. Arms trafficking has flooded the country with nearly 70 percent illegal firearms; 83.4 percent of homicides are by firearms, compared to 60 percent in the United States. (Information gathered from Reuters and Associated Press)-

          • HONDURAS IS ONLY DANGEROUS FOR F A G
            PUNKS LIKE YOU>>>>>>>> SEARCHING FOR LITTLE GIRL PROSTITUTES AND LOOKING FOR DRUGS>>>>>>> BANG YOUR DEAD. HEY FOLKS OUT THERE DOES ANYONE KNOW THIS MAGGOT ANDREW SILVER AND WHERE HE LIVES>>> I
            HAVE A 1911A1 45 CAL ACP THAT WANTS TO MEET HIM>>>> THE MAGGOT IS TOO STUPID TO BE ON THIS EARTH>> THE LYING P R I C K

          • ASSOCIATED PRESS IS NOTHING BUT A LIBERAL RAG AND SO IS REUTERS>>> THEY NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.>> I CONTACTED THEM AND STRAIGHTENED THEM OUT. I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE 9 YEARS. NO PROBLEMS>>> I DON`T USE DRUGS INCLUDING MARIJUANA AND I DON`T USE PROSTITUTES .

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Honduras and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush and playing with his gray @sshole all day.

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his torn up @sshole all day.

          • Repent and be saved for your heart is filled with hatred of others. There is a life of love that can transform life for you. God is love. God died for you; however you must acknowledge Jesus Christ and follow his commands.

            Love God, and love your neighbor. Upon those two commands, the whole law rests.

          • AGAIN I DON`T HATE>>> I DESPISE FILTHY A S S
            N I G G E R SAVAGES , ILLEGAL MAGGOT PARASITES AND THEIR ANCHOR PIGLETS AND ALL RAG/HEAD MUDSLIMES. NOW I AM STARTING TO DESPISE YOU>>>>>>>>>> YOU LIBERAL A S S
            MAGGOT F A G G OT>>>>>>>> MERRY CHRISTMAS. PERIOD

          • How can I be repugnant to you and you still love me? My actions or deeds, No, me personally you despise.

            The people of this world do not recognize real Christians because their hearts are filled with hatred towards a loving God. But people of faith know God, recognize him and want to be like him, that is why they want to be pure like he is pure.

            What is pure, holy, clean or uplifting about your posts?

          • GO AWAY>>> I HAVE NOT TIME FOR F R I G G `IN
            IDIOT LIBERALS LIKE YOUR SELF>> I HAVE EXPLAINED AND EXPLAINED TO YOU THE FACTS WHICH YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE. GET LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • You are the one who is lost. Repent and be saved.

            Christ died that all might come to a saving knowledge of him. This is the Good News, Christ died to save us from our sins.

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his prolapsed @sshole all day.

          • I EXPAT has real problems, Scott.

            Don’t try to talk sense to him, or teach him about the transcendent joy a relationship with the Christ can bring a human being.

            He is blind, deaf and dumb. That is why he uses foul language, bears false witness, tells tales and engages in lustful and vulgar speech.

            May the Lord Jehovah have mercy and forbearance on his mortal soul, in Jesus’ name, Amen.

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his bloody @sshole all day.

          • YOU HAVE JUST PROVE MY POINT.> NEVER EVER TRY TO EXPLAIN THE FACT AND TRUTH TO AN OBAMA LOVING LIBERAL>> IT JUST CONFUSES THEM AND I MEAN YOU TO KNOW END>>
            THE TRUTH AND FACTS ARE THE NEW HATE SPEECH ACCORDING TO THAT EVIL OBAMA AND HIS EVIL REGIME WHICH YOU BELONG TO>> NOW GO AWAY>>>>>>>>>>>.

          • The one using vile and foul language is the one who belongs to the evil one.

            Be not deceived, James 1:26

            If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless.

          • ADIOS>>>>>>> FELIZ NAVIDAD AND MERRY CHRISTMAS>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NOW GET LOST THIS IS MY LAST COMMENT TO ANY OF YOUR RESPONSES. PERIOD!!!!!!!! ADIOS!!!!!

          • Merry Christmas. Bless our enemies. Pray for those who spitefully use you. Return a frown with a smile. These things are pleasing to the lord.

          • SENOR YO HABLA CONTIGO>>>>>>>>>>>> ADIOS Y FELIZ NAVIDAD> GRACIAS PARA ESTA MOMENTO CONTIGO>>>>>>>>>>>>> AHORA
            ADIOS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADIOS>>>>>>>>>>> ADIOS

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Glen Beck and playing with his torn up @sshole all day.

          • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

            Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a dues paying member of NAMBLA.

            At least he has a hobby, listening to Glen Beck and playing with his prolapsed @sshole all day.

        • I GUESS YOU MUST THINK mrBob IS CONSERVATIVE IDEAS, DECENCY AND RESPECT??? WOW!
          OFCOURSE MrBob DRESSES WELL….HE DIDN’T SPEND ALL THAT TIME IN THE CLOSET DOING NOTHING.








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    • I EXPAT, I agree about the word gay and what they’ve done to the symbol of the rainbow, but all they’re doing is following their father the devil, just like everyone else who refuses so accept God and Jesus Christ.

      • AMENNNNNNNNNNNN!!!! THOSE WHO LOSE GOD>>IT IS NOT GOD WHO IS LOST>>> THOSE IN SERIOUS TROUBLE OR PAIN AND ASK GOD AND JESUS FOR HELP AND THEY DID NOT BRING GOD OR JESUS WITH THEM THEN GOD AND JESUS WILL NOT BE THERE TO HELP THEM>>>>>>> PERIOD

        • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

          Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal
          Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a
          card carryin’ member of NAMBLA.

          At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his gray haired prolapsed @sshole all day.

        • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

          Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal
          Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a
          card carryin’ member of NAMBLA.

          At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his prolapsed @sshole all day.

        • Ex-pat is a pedophile who got kicked out of the Army for sucking a little Thai boy’s pen1s.

          Now he lives overseas in Thailand and plots against the Federal
          Government that told him he couldn’t have sex with little boys. He is a
          card carryin’ member of NAMBLA.

          At least he has a hobby, listening to Rush Limbaugh and playing with his prolapsed @sshole all day.

  7. We are all sinners and homosexuality is a sin. In the Old Testament and in the New Testament it is condemned. The only way a person can come out of this sin/abomination is to come to Christ in the acknowledgement that they are a sinner, cannot save themselves, and in repentance, which are stages that you go through before you come to Christ in faith and accept him as your Saviour.

    Homosexuality is not genetic as every study, genetic and behavioral has shown. You can twist it and ignore it but there it is fact.

    As a Christian, homosexuality is a moral dilemma and not a civil right problem. Since it is a sin, the person has a choice, to give in to that sin and allow it mastery over your life or not to give into it. That is the way I see it.

  8. I have no data on this but I have continually heard that while in prison, a high percentage of both males and females engage in homosexual sex because they are without heterosexual partners. When they get out of prison, most revert back to their heterosexual practices. China has a male population, as I understand it, about twice the female because of the high rate of aborting girl babies. It has been reported that they have a skyrocketing rate of homosexuality because they lack heterosexual partners. So … back to the old question. Are they really born that way or are there environmental factors that make that determination? One study that I read years ago when the teenage “runaway” thing was really big, a survey in San Francisco’s gay community found lots of teens there and at least 15% of the people practicing homosexual sex saw themselves as “experimenting”. Remember it was NOT until the 70s that the field of psychiatry changed their view on the issue. Who is to say that they were right. The only clinical studies that were carried out that led to their NEW position, I read, was the result of studies conducted by homosexual doctors. If that is true … was the deck stacked? Where does the line get drawn. What about the pedophiles? What about those that practice bestiality? All we need is the strong attraction and desire for something that is NOT heterosexual and we can “claim” that we were “born” that way and were not really f**ked up. Science has NEVER made erroneous claims in the past? This was only 40 yrs ago, too; not a very long time and they have turned the world upside down by that claim. Wow! What if they were wrong?

  9. Deviant sexual behavior is a choice. Denying that choice is a treatable mental disorder. Only those who acknowledge and want to overcome the disorder can be treated successfully. They are a minority, given both the deep-seated trauma behind the disorder and the massive support of equally sick individuals.

  10. There is no gay gene. The choice is made by the individual.
    The old saying in college was LUG, meaning Lesbian until graduation.

  11. “Great Fruitcake Proclamation of 2013.”

    “fruitcakes” are the holiday desserts Americans love to hate. But this year fruitcakes are finding an unlikely ally standing up for them. And if you don’t stand up with them too, watch out, you may be a “hater,” a homophobe, a child serial killer … or worst of all: a bully!
    Read more at http://clashdaily.com/2013/12/whodathunk-gay-rights-group-disliking-fruitcake-homophobic/#GUcY6tpGKPegL7Lg.99

  12. “On one hand, homosexuals believe that an ex-gay ‘must never have been really gay at all’ or is ‘just deluding himself.'”
    This quote suggests the gay community acknowledges the prospect that a currently gay person is not really gay if they can later become hetero. If the gay community acknowledge a person may currently be acting gay but not truely be gay, doesn’t it make that person’s homosexuality a choice, even if made subconsciously or out of an identity issue? I think that is fideux’s point as well.
    The ex-gay who is not deluding him/herself must have been making a past choice to be gay.

  13. Man- born with a penis
    Woman- born with a vagina
    Anus- created for expunging fecal matter
    Mouth- created to receive nutrition
    Homosexual sex- contrary to the purpose of procreation, their parts in their sex acts don’t match.
    Man/female sex – makes sense because their parts are made for the act of sex. And sometimes, life is created from this act ; the homosexual sex act creates many different diseases , but never a living being.
    Now tell me which of these acts make sense.

  14. ‘…ex-gay, that proves homosexuality cannot be an incontrovertible necessity of nature. Homosexuals hate this possibility. It strikes at the very heart of their self-identity. If someone can really be ex-gay, then homosexuality is merely a behavior, not an identity.’

    Not if…..it is most assuredly merely a behavior, not an identity. You will never meet an ex-black, but turns out you will meet many ex-same-sex deviants. It doesn’t matter how much they hate this; whether they like it or not, it is a fact.

    • The article was CLEAR that the author believes it is a behavior. The use of the word ‘if’ in your quote is an example of illustrating a logical argument. ‘If’ A it true, B must also be true. This assumes A has been shown to be true.

  15. Could someone ever turn from being this sick and deranged? (Lord know blobbie has tried)
    WARNING: You are about to view the zombietime report about the 2008 Up Your Alley Fair in San Francisco. This report contains photographs and descriptions of extreme behavior performed in public that some viewers may find disturbing. CAUTION, be ready to vomit. http://www.zombietime.com/up_y

    If you have the stomach to look you will find mrBlob on a driveby saying “taste the rainbow bitches” (see start of this article for the full joke)

  16. Unfortunately homosexuals can and do procreate by one means or another even if it’s adopting. The shame is that then the innocent children are subject to their indoctrination and corruption giving them an immoral and unGodly world view as they grow up which ultimately corrupts and destroys society as we see it trying to do today.

  17. The hateful and disgusting posts from both sides of this issue are just plain sad. As a Christian Conservative and Minister I think we can and should do better. I am not so self righteous and deluded about my own sinful nature. I don’t sit and self righteously attack those who suffer from sin that I am not prone too. ALL have sinned and fallen short of the God. I don’t sit around patting myself on the back for not being like so and so. ALL sex outside marriage as God created it is sexual immorality and sin end of story. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org

    • Preacher Cruz, you make some good points, like expressing humility and recognizing our sinful nature.

      But it seems a man in your position should be standing up for God’s Word and setting an example, rather than provoking those who follow God’s commandments. It bothered me to have you point out “the hateful and disgusting posts from both sides of this issue” – we have a responsibility to defend God’s word.

      Yes, I am a sinner. But I will always defend the Word of God, despite my sinfulness. And I will call out those who try to minimize the seriousness of such a sin. End of story.

      • James 1:26

        If you claim to be religious but don’t control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless.

      • If you’ll pardon me it seems to me that standing up for Gods word is EXACTLY what I’m doing. Calling people names is never a useful tool for witnessing and conversion. The gay slurs and references to gay activities are beyond the pail. If you re-read what I posted I clearly spoke out against ALL sexual immorality while also reminding people we are to speak the truth in Love…. Where did I not defend gods word? http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org

        • You come across to some people as BRAGGING about your ‘not patting yourself on the back’. I won’t claim that is your intent, but it IS the impression many take from HOW you say what you say.

          • Umm… Okay. That just shows you don’t know me at all. One of my life verses is 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
            Also, I don’t point out that I don’t do something to make myself look better. ANYTHING good I am or do is through Christ who makes me able to do it. I deserve no credit while he deserves all glory. God bless and Merry Christmas.

  18. Homosexuality is more than just nature or nurture. It is a matter of the Spirit, as borne in our blood. When people have sex, blood is exchanged, and with that blood comes a portion of that person’s spirit. What also happens is, demonic forces take control because the protection God gives us has been broken, whether by choice or by force. Additionally, a chemical pathway is burnt through the brain, causing the victim to fall into that trap time and time again.
    5 steps are needed:
    1. Confession that it is sin before God, repentance of that sin, and repudiation of it forever more.
    2. Receive Salvation through Jesus Christ (if not already saved)
    3. Receive Deliverance, which is, at its core, the breaking of demon enslavement. That stops demons from being able to twist the victim into that area, and sets them free from that bondage.
    4. Healing in the body and in the brain for the damages caused. This will help prevent falling into the trap again.
    5. Acceptance, love, and mentoring by Christian Men (for men) and Women (for women). The victims need to be retrained on how to walk and talk differently. If that doesn’t take place, they will walk and talk as they used to and will be easy prey for wolves ooking to pull them back in.

  19. All immoral sex is a sin. Any sex outside a normal marriage is a sin in the eyes of God. What ticks me off is the left trying to tell us that being gay is normal. No, it is a perversion. Now the gates of hell have opened in the name of “tolerance” and “equality”. The gays on Market St in San Francisco get together for a giant orgy every year, right in front of the public where everyone can take pictures of their filthy behavior. They do themselves, too, as others watch. The police stand by and do nothing because they are probably gay, too. Our society is becoming more depraved as the evil left works to turn everything upside down.

  20. God created people, not straights or gays. Straight is the way He created us. When He said, “It is not good that the man should be alone,” He did not create another man. Had he done so, we wouldn’t be here now. He created a woman. That doesn’t mean that some of us, because we are fallen sinners, were not born with an inclination to seek homosexual sex. That calls for understanding, but it does not call for acceptance of homosexual conduct. Some of us were born with the inclination to seek intimacy with every reasonably attractive woman we know; but that doesn’t excuse us if we do it. We–and homosexuals, too–can only do two things. One is to plead for God’s mercy for the sake of Christ’s “bitter, innocent sufferings and death,” to use words from one form of confession of sin. The other is to attempt, with God’s help, to live a reformed life. Will the “other law in our members” still be there? Of course (Rom. 7). But what we dare not do is say that because that “other law” is in us, it is not sin.

  21. the article identifies the fear that gays have of the truth. That is why they hate people who say that being gay is a choice. It scares them to admit that it is in fact a choice they made at some point. They want us all to accept that it is not a choice and that they are wired differently than the rest of us heterosexuals. That gives them an excuse. Rather than admit that it is a sinful choice, they prefer to say it is their creator who made them that way. Society is failing the gay community by allowing it to be normalized and for gays to continue in their deviate activity without remorse, contemplation, or having to face it as abnormal. If being an alcoholic, or drug addict can be turned around, so can being gay. All of them started with a choice and then became a compulsive obsession.

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